Can Trump change the worldviews of Russians?

[Spathi]

The Putin’s propaganda in Russia instill the hatred for the West to Russians. One of its ideological pointsis the number of excesses in the West relating LGBT – unpleasant gay parades, transgender athletes in big sports, and so on. The Putin’s propaganda states manipulatively, that these excesses are caused by democracy, especially in Europe, and the word “democracy” is partly connected for the Russians to gay parades (”Gayrope”). In reality, the situation is vice versa: the problems of the Western countries are caused by the lack of democracy (the ruling Left ignore the will of people). The Left has created a meme “democracy is not the power of majority, but the protection of minorities”, and pro-Putin Russians have believed in this meme. But recently the Americans had elected Trump, and the Trumpism is ideologically close to Putinism – Trump dislikes gender diversity too. So my question is, maybe eventually Trump will change the relation of Russians to democracy? What is he doing now to stop such things as promoting transgender athletes in sports?

I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women. If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women. If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

Sorry this is rubbish. To think that all Putin cares about is how gender is perceived 5k miles away is delusion. Putin wants war and domination. The only way to stop the war is to arm Ukraine with the weapons, intel and diplomatic support it needs. It's that simple.

 

[Spathi]

Sorry this is rubbish. To think that all Putin cares about is how gender is perceived 5k miles away is delusion. Putin wants war and domination. The only way to stop the war is to arm Ukraine with the weapons, intel and diplomatic support it needs. It's that simple.

I live in Russia, and I know the mentality of Russians. The Putin’s propaganda manipulatively states that Russia needs a “Tsar”, not the Western model. The Russians use the word “Gayrope” (Gay Europe), and many of them connect LGBT with the democracy in Europe (at least unconsciously). Some Russians use the word “dermocracy”, the word “dermo” in Russian means “sh…t”. As far as I know, only in German 80 years ago there was a similar word – “systemzeit”. This is caused by the fact that both Germans and Russians had been living under democracy with very big economic problems – the Weimar republic in Germany and the Yeltsin’s time in Russia. But I am sure that if Russians see that under democracy people can vote against transgenders, they (the Russians) will experience a cognitive dissonance.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

But I am sure that if Russians see that under democracy people can vote against transgenders, they (the Russians) will experience a cognitive dissonance.

What Russians see is what Putin shows you. Also, this is just morally wrong. There is nothing wrong with transgenderism. I have a transgender friend and they are lovely.

 

[Spathi]

What Russians see is what Putin shows you. Also, this is just morally wrong. There is nothing wrong with transgenderism. I have a transgender friend and they are lovely.

I am sorry for a provocative post, I am not a homophobe, but I meant trangenders in big sports.



I hope you respect Sabine Hossenfelder, even she had become concerned with this subject:

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I am sorry for a provocative post, I am not a homophobe, but I meant trangenders in big sports.

Sounds like a really important issue to be focusing on. Nothing else happening in the world. Let's focus on a few athletes in sports when there are millions starving in the world and without homes.

 

[Spathi]

Sounds like a really important issue to be focusing on. Nothing else happening in the world. Let's focus on a few athletes in sports when there are millions starving in the world and without homes.

I suppose, the Trump supporters say the same for "Trump's lies". I mean, that the Dem supporters probably hate Trump for his lies, but the Trump supporters consider them as something not really important. So there is some kind of symmetry or maybe antisymmetry between the Trump and the Dem supporters.

 

[Klystron]

This is caused by the fact that both Germans and Russians had been living under democracy with very big economic problems – the Weimar republic in Germany and the Yeltsin’s time in Russia.

Germany during the Weimar Republic promoted art, science and cultural diversity. Many English speaking physicists, for example, learned German language eager to read the latest STEM publications without waiting for translations. US artists embraced Dada, Balhaus and so much more of Northern European culture as anti-German fervor from WWI faded.

Sorry, I have not studied post USSR Russia culture for an adequate analogy with post WWI Germany.

Hatred of sexual diversity probably stems from hatred of women and female equality in general. Hitlerians, Puntinists and Trumpists attempt to embrace an imagined masculinity inimical to succesful civilization. Like electromagnetism (EM), human sexual orientation occupies a spectrum of desire, frustration and fulfillment. Democracy embraces diversity.

 

[Patxitxi]

The Putin’s propaganda in Russia instill the hatred for the West to Russians. One of its ideological pointsis the number of excesses in the West relating LGBT – unpleasant gay parades, transgender athletes in big sports, and so on. The Putin’s propaganda states manipulatively, that these excesses are caused by democracy, especially in Europe, and the word “democracy” is partly connected for the Russians to gay parades (”Gayrope”). In reality, the situation is vice versa: the problems of the Western countries are caused by the lack of democracy (the ruling Left ignore the will of people). The Left has created a meme “democracy is not the power of majority, but the protection of minorities”, and pro-Putin Russians have believed in this meme. But recently the Americans had elected Trump, and the Trumpism is ideologically close to Putinism – Trump dislikes gender diversity too. So my question is, maybe eventually Trump will change the relation of Russians to democracy? What is he doing now to stop such things as promoting transgender athletes in sports?

I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women. If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

I do not know if the proposal contained in this comment is a whole load of humoristic sarcastic phrases or is actually serious... And to tell you the truth... I don't know if I actually want to know!

 

[Spathi]

This is very sad that people here don't understand my ideas.
As far as I know, currently Trump is planning an invasion into Venezuala. It is possible that Putin will start using again his nuclear threats; and it will cricial important for Trump to tell some information to the Russians. If Trump makes some posts or videos for the Russians, many Russians will watch them. Currently many Russians sympathize with Trump, including those who support Putin, because Trump is homophobic, and the homophoby is a sacred element of Russian state ideology. This gives Trump a chance to start lowering the rating of Putin in Russia; when the rating of Putin will become smaller, very soon a general will ovethrow him.
Trump must carefully and politely tell the Russians that the USA has a lot of nukes, incliding the ones at submarines, and the USA will nuke the Russian cities if Putin starts nuking other cities. I hope that eventually the majority of Russians will start hating the Z-activists, pro-war minority which is responsible on all the horrors of current war, and this minority will eventually go to prisons for their crimes.

 

[EricDMMiller]

The fact that you inherently characterize such things as excesses underscores the fatal flaw in your thinking.

You've absorbed Putin's framing so completely that you're now suggesting to out-bigot him to somehow defeat him. This is spectacularly stupid political analysis pretending at being strategic insight. Your premise is backwards. Putin's anti-LGBT propaganda isn't driving Russian authoritarianism. It's serving Russian authoritarianism. The hatred isn't the cause, it's the tool. Remove one scapegoat and authoritarian systems simply manufacture another. Russians don't support Putin because they hate gay people; they were taught to hate gay people because it consolidates support for Putin.

You want us to think that Russians will suddenly embrace democracy if it produces the "right" oppressive outcomes. This reveals you fundamentally misunderstand what democracy means. It isn't a mechanism for implementing popular prejudices, it's a system of pluralistic representation and minority protection.

Trump's anti-trans policies won't create pro-democratic sentiment in Russia. They'll validate Putin's narrative that Western democracy was always a facade masking the same authoritarian impulses.

Putin will simply pivot: "See? Americans also reject liberal degeneracy. The difference is we're honest about traditional values while they pretend to be democratic."

 

[EricDMMiller]

Is Spathi gaming the geographic indicator to try and distance themselves from living in Russia?

I live in Russia, and I know the mentality of Russians.

That flag used to be Russian. Now, Norway.

 

[Spathi]

That flag used to be Russian. Now, Norway.

I live in Russia. This was VPN.

 

[MindlessPieces]

I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women.

Wouldn't this be a prime example of a non-sequitur?

If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

Huh?

 

[MindlessPieces]

I am sorry for a provocative post, I am not a homophobe, but I meant trangenders in big sports

Why do you think government's should be controlling the various sporting divisions?
Shouldn't the sporting bodies be self governing? I mean, they know much more about their sports than the politicians.