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The forum discussion highlights alarming incidents regarding the treatment of foreign nationals and academics in the United States, particularly under the Trump administration. A French scientist was denied entry due to his critical views on Trump policies, while an Irish charity criticized Conor McGregor's visit to the White House, linking it to the normalization of sexual violence. Additionally, a Venezuelan soccer player was deported under the Alien Enemies Act due to a tattoo, raising concerns about the implications of such actions on freedom of expression and human rights. These incidents collectively illustrate a troubling trend in U.S. immigration and civil liberties.

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  • Research the implications of the Alien Enemies Act on current immigration practices
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  • Investigate the normalization of controversial figures in political discourse
  • Examine the impact of U.S. immigration policies on international relations
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This discussion is beneficial for human rights advocates, immigration lawyers, political scientists, and anyone interested in the intersection of immigration policy and civil liberties in the United States.

If Antifa are too nebulous, here are some more easily identifiable people to villainize:

In a petition launched on Thursday, the Heritage Foundation — along with its spin-off group, the Oversight Project — called on the agency to add "Transgender Ideology-Inspired Violent Extremism" aka "TIVE" to its list of domestic extremist groups so that it could “detect, disrupt, and dismantle TIVE cells.”

Good thing that the Heritage Foundation has no sway over the current administration, right?
 

President Donald Trump's border czar Tom Homan accepted a $50,000 bag of cash from an undercover FBI agent last year in a since-closed U.S. Justice Department bribery investigation, two sources familiar with the matter said on Sunday.
...

FBI Director Kash Patel ordered the investigation closed over the summer, one of the sources said. Homan could not be reached for comment.
 
Hey can we start parsing some of these into separate threads so we can have focused discussion on each rather than smashing all news into a single thread?
 
Employees of the Department of Education have found that their "Out of Office Replies" created for the government shutdown have been changed from a neutral tone to a partisan one without their consent.

This might be a violation of the Hatch Act and could jeopardize their jobs.

Additionally, The government is now taking pictures in airports of persons as they board planes leaving the US. This is done without their consent. More unacceptable surveillance,

We know they can establish time and location info on people by tracking their phones or taking pictures of a crowd using AI to identify persons of interest. The government probably has or has access to pictures of virtually every person in this country and is probably using them.

Appropriately a documentary of George Orwell's career "Orwell: 2+2=5" is being released in theaters today.

"The Party" has started.
 
If it weren't so incredibly similar to what had happened in Germany after 1933, it would be funny. But knowing German history allows only one clue: The USA is on the way to fascism.

Let it shine – Trump demands loyalty test of meteorologists​

Applicants for the U.S. Weather Service are rubbing their eyes in amazement. Meteorologists don't have to prove their knack for good forecasts or tornado warnings, but rather their loyalty to the country and its president.

 
But knowing German history allows only one clue: The USA is on the way to fascism.

On the way?

This past Wednesday night 300 ICE agents literally swooped down ( rappelled from helicopters and arriviing rental moving Vans) on an aparment building in Chicago and broke down doors and physically removed all resdients men, women and children in cuffs detaining most for hours. No warrant, no explanation no appology.

Oh there was information that there were member of Tren de Aragua gang there.
"Federal law enforcement officers will not stand by and allow criminal activity to flourish in our American neighborhoods," Homeland Security said in a statement.

No, it is not on its way it is here.
 
No, it is not on its way it is here.

This is my favorite quote from Hilbert:

When Hilbert was asked at a banquet in 1934 by the new Prussian Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, whether it was true that his institute had suffered "from the departure of Jews and friends of the Jews," he replied: "The institute - it doesn't even exist anymore."

Now add what ICE did to firefighters in WA ...

Rigoberto Hernandez Hernandez was freed Tuesday after nearly four weeks in detention at the Northwest ICE Processing Center in Tacoma, Washington. Hernandez is now back home in Oregon with his family, said Matt Adams, legal director with the Northwest Immigration Rights Project, which is representing him.
 
America must wake up.

It is time to remember the famous quote of Martin Niemöller.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. In the 1920s and early 1930s, he sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right-wing political movements. But after Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, Niemöller became an outspoken critic of Hitler’s interference in the Protestant Church. He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945, in Nazi prisons and concentration camps. Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for his postwar statement, which begins “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


—Martin Niemöller
Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

After the "illegal" immigrants who will be next? Thanks to SCOTUS and an impotent Congress, anybody Trump wants.
 
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"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity. The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other." ~ Bertrand Russell

Bertrand Russell, John Greer Slater, Peter Köllner (1996). “A Fresh Look at Empiricism: 1927-42”, p.441, Psychology Press
 
I think it is time to remind everybody of the Milgram Experiment. Just in case you ask yourself how ICE could turn so easily into an SA-like group.


The experiments began on August 1961 at Yale University, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem.

Milgram devised his psychological study to explain the psychology of genocide and answer the popular contemporary question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"

 
America must wake up.

It is time to remember the famous quote of Martin Niemöller.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. In the 1920s and early 1930s, he sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right-wing political movements. But after Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, Niemöller became an outspoken critic of Hitler’s interference in the Protestant Church. He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945, in Nazi prisons and concentration camps. Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for his postwar statement, which begins “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…


Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

After the "illegal" immigrants who will be next? Thanks to SCOTUS and an impotent Congress, anybody Trump wants.
If they let him go on the question will not be "who will be next? But "When will it be our turn?"
 
Employees of the Department of Education have found that their "Out of Office Replies" created for the government shutdown have been changed from a neutral tone to a partisan one without their consent.

This might be a violation of the Hatch Act and could jeopardize their jobs.

Additionally, The government is now taking pictures in airports of persons as they board planes leaving the US. This is done without their consent. More unacceptable surveillance,

We know they can establish time and location info on people by tracking their phones or taking pictures of a crowd using AI to identify persons of interest. The government probably has or has access to pictures of virtually every person in this country and is probably using them.

Appropriately a documentary of George Orwell's career "Orwell: 2+2=5" is being released in theaters today.

"The Party" has started.
Well the "people" voted for these "they" you talk about in that Mickey Mouse so called "democracy".
 
If they let him go on the question will not be "who will be next? But "When will it be our turn?"

Those are the "I didn't vote for this" people who voted for Trump for a specific aspect of his presidency neglecting to appreciate the full extent of it.
 
I'm just excited to see what happens when the US military is unleashed on its population.


Killing the Venezuelan civilians is good training. If you'll commit war crimes in Venezuela, there's nothing to stop you from committing them back at home.
 
Now add what ICE did to firefighters in WA ...
Some of the actions of the ICE people on the ground leads me to believe that there are a few goons in their midst.
Those individuals should be removed before the goon behavior rubs off onto the rest of an outfit.
One video was of a goon doing a running charging tackle of a 70 year old causing head trauma from contact with the asphalt. Another goon pepper sprayed a minister right in the face from feet away.
Both should be charged with assault, sentenced, and locked up for a time. For accountability.
 

As I just said,

Photo of masked agent pointing gun at woman alarms legal expert​


"DHS is an escalation spiral; the more they do things like this, the more people on the ground push back, the more people on the ground push back, the more officers do things like this, and I'm deeply worried what the ultimate result will be," he wrote.
 
You'll be the first to know after they invade Canada to make it the 51st state.
Carney is elbows down at the meeting with Trump at the White House.
Giving away the farm, literally from what was said.
The two are bum buddies, so says Trump.
Makes sense from Broodfield-Carney-Trump intermediary business connections.

The only elbows up guy left is Ontario Ford.

 
Some of the actions of the ICE people on the ground leads me to believe that there are a few goons in their midst.
Those individuals should be removed before the goon behavior rubs off onto the rest of an outfit.
One video was of a goon doing a running charging tackle of a 70 year old causing head trauma from contact with the asphalt. Another goon pepper sprayed a minister right in the face from feet away.
Both should be charged with assault, sentenced, and locked up for a time. For accountabilit
I think this behavior is seen as acceptable by the administration. If this behavior provokes a violent reaction from the general public, it will validate Trumps premise that military intevention is necessary.
 
Carney is elbows down at the meeting with Trump at the White House.
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The only elbows up guy left is Ontario Ford.
It's funny, my strategy would be to [diplomatically] ignore the Americans, their politics and their threats.

Let this sovereign nation govern itself as it wishes. (I mean, we don't like it when other nations try to influence our laws or elections, right?) Who are we to tell other countries how to tax their people or create local jobs? Our biggest mistake was to remove our Digital Services Tax to please our neighbor.

Let's call the tariffs what it is: a tax on the Americans, not an assault on foreign countries. Sure, it can have an effect on certain Canadian businesses (still haven't seen a lot as of now, just people spreading fear), but it just put to light our vulnerabilities, and we should concentrate on patching them up rather then pleading with our neighbor: "Please, don't hurt us! We'll do whatever you want!" It doesn't seem smarter to begin an economic war with them either. Let's keep it diplomatic: We just adjust our economic policies according to our evolving economic situation without referring to other countries. If our tax incomes decrease, we must find a new way to increase them, most likely by taxing imports if we are losing local businesses. How else can we do it?

"Good luck, Mr. Trump, with your solutions to save your country." "Nobody ever saw good things coming out of tariffs, but maybe you found the right way to do it."

When these Amercian policies will blow over (they never worked in the past), we will all lick our wounds and get back to our regular business. There is no other way around it. Shit happens.
 
I think this behavior is seen as acceptable by the administration. If this behavior provokes a violent reaction from the general public, it will validate Trumps premise that military intevention is necessary.
This is also why the governors' hands are tied to some degree. They probably would like to arrest or forcibly remove the invading forces but it would cause the orange idiot to do something much worse if they did.
 

Black says he was participating in a prayer vigil outside the Broadview facility in September when ICE officers fired on him without provocation.

“I extended my arms, palms outstretched toward the ICE officers, in a traditional Christian posture of prayer and blessing,” Black told the ACLU of Illinois in a press release published on Monday. “Without any warning, and without any order or request that I and others disperse, I was suddenly fired upon by ICE officers. In rapid fire, I was hit seven times on my arms, face and torso with exploding pellets that contained some kind of chemical agent. It was clear to me that the officers were aiming for my head, which they struck twice.”

You can see the pastor being shot in the following video from MSNBC:



The pastor shooting starts at 3:52.
 
To be fair, it seems like it was pepper bullets, and they didn't literally blow his head off.

But it is still egregiously excessive, and it might just be a matter of time before we escalate to that.
 
Let's call the tariffs what it is: a tax on the Americans, not an assault on foreign countries. Sure, it can have an effect on certain Canadian businesses (still haven't seen a lot as of now, just people spreading fear), but it just put to light our vulnerabilities, and we should concentrate on patching them up rather then pleading with our neighbor:
I know what you are talking about. Canada with it's expertise and resources should be more immune to economic blackmail, but isn't. I put that down to the stupidity of the controlling interests, both political and business self serving lacking vision ever the past decades. Maybe even as far back as Diefenbaker when he cancelled the advanced Acro Arrow over a few million bucks.

Problem with Canada is that it is spread out east-west, right next to the US, and the population is concentrated within the corridor 200 miles from the Canada-US border, and lack of capital.. It's much easier to trade with the US and the Mulroney-Reagan NAFTA deal 1994 promoted that trade , raising the standard of living in both countries, something that Trump does not acknowledge.

Due to NAFTA, the Auto Pact, those being the most well known and impacting the Canadian economy the greatest, Canadian companies and politicians had an easy route to prosperity, and thus neglected nation building and market diversification nationally as well as internationally. But they did try - remember senior Trudeau's attempt to bring in several Japanese and Korean car companies into Canada ( Hyundai Bromont 1989, but export to the US was hindered due to US tariffs on non Auto Pact vehicles as one of the reasons that led to the plant closure some 5 years later ).

Canadian banks, and to an extent private enterprise , were/are somewhat averse risk to investment within Canada. The Quebec James Bay Hydro project was financed through NY, probably because it took up less of a liability on their balance sheet, but more importantly, they could see the potential.

Since the small Canadian market is quickly saturated, growth naturally means expansion to the south -Tim Hortons, CN, Jean Coutu are a few Canadian companies that have enjoyed success through this route. ( Tim Hortons' present difficulties are due to an overbearing venture capital firm ). Carney's Brookfield Asset Management ( $ 1 trillion ) moved its head office from Toronto to NY 2024 to go where the money is, to be closer to its investments and investors.

The one province taking most of the brunt of the Trump administration agenda is Ontario, which can explain Doug Ford's dislike, and his ranting and raving. How to explain to his fan base the loss of their jobs. Just recently, according to Howard Lutnick, and expressed at the Trump Carney meeting, the Aito Pact is dead - US cars to be made in the US, others suffer tariffs. Thus a potential elimination of up to 86,000 Ontario manufacturing jobs ( that must be manufacturing, assembly, and support related such as trucking 80% o the vehicles to the US ) ( Quebec auto sector lost hers, year 2000-ish( the giant GM plant on HWY 15 ST Therese shuttered for good ). To be seen where thus leads in the immediate future.

The heavy duty truck tariff of 25% will hit Quebec's Peterbilt plant St Therese exports to the US. 1000 workers in jeopardy. And this has had the immediate affect of increasing truck prices in the US. The US could not compete, but with a 25% tariff maybe now they can when an up and running a new US plant exists.

That's just a bit of the US-Canada economic-policy-treaty-finance integration that has people worried.
 
And this has had the immediate affect of increasing truck prices in the US. The US could not compete, but with a 25% tariff maybe now they can when an up and running a new US plant exists.
Of course, they can compete by demanding higher sales prices, but can the buyers (and their clients) afford them? Meaning, the sales from the US businesses might not increase as one might think.

The idea is that you lower taxes and be compensated by tariffs. The problem is that tariffs will affect every buyer through this hidden sales tax, including those who struggle to generate revenues. In Canada, we also have a sales tax that affects everyone, but we also send a check to people with low income to compensate for the sales tax they pay throughout the year. Can the USA accept such a socialist move?
 

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