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The forum discussion highlights alarming incidents regarding the treatment of foreign nationals and academics in the United States, particularly under the Trump administration. A French scientist was denied entry due to his critical views on Trump policies, while an Irish charity criticized Conor McGregor's visit to the White House, linking it to the normalization of sexual violence. Additionally, a Venezuelan soccer player was deported under the Alien Enemies Act due to a tattoo, raising concerns about the implications of such actions on freedom of expression and human rights. These incidents collectively illustrate a troubling trend in U.S. immigration and civil liberties.

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  • Knowledge of academic freedom and its implications
  • Familiarity with the Alien Enemies Act
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This discussion is beneficial for human rights advocates, immigration lawyers, political scientists, and anyone interested in the intersection of immigration policy and civil liberties in the United States.

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I was looking for a thread where I could post stories that are in my mind highly alarming, condemnable, or generally a sign that the USA is currently on a dangerous path toward a country that contradicts its own (former) values.

Since I didn't want to hijack other existing threads, I will start a new one.
 

U.S. Turned Away French Scientist Over Views on Trump Policies, France Says​


The French authorities said the academic had been traveling to a conference near Houston when border officials blocked his entry because of conversations found on his phone.

A French scientist was prevented from entering the United States this month because of an opinion he expressed about the Trump administration’s policies on academic research, according to the French government.

Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister for higher education and research, described the move as worrying.

“Freedom of opinion, free research and academic freedom are values we will continue to proudly uphold,” Mr. Baptiste said in a statement. “I will defend the possibility for all French researchers to be faithful to them, in compliance with the law, wherever they may be in the world.”

Mr. Baptiste did not identify the scientist who was turned away but said that the academic was working for France’s publicly funded National Center for Scientific Research and had been traveling to a conference near Houston when border officials stopped him.


Comment: His mistake: He criticized Trump. Now tell me again it is not about fascism!
 
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Charity complaint over McGregor's White House visit​


An Irish rape crisis charity has complained to the US administration about the visit of Conor McGregor to the White House on St Patrick's Day.

In a letter to the US Embassy in Ireland, the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre said McGregor's meeting with US President Donald Trump "effectively normalises sexual violence and trivialises its impact on survivors".

Last year an Irish woman who accused the former mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter of raping her in a Dublin hotel won a civil court action against him.

A jury at the High Court in Dublin found that McGregor had assaulted Nikita Hand and ordered him to pay more than €248,000 (£206,000). McGregor has lodged an appeal.


Comment: Trump makes the former unthinkable the new normal!
 
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Why did they need to look at his phone? Did they know something was there? The same with the Brown U. professor who was deported. Remember the TV series "Person of Interest" where AI and ubiquitous surveillance cameras were used to identify possible crimes that might be committed.

Thinkpol.webp
 

Man deported to El Salvador under Alien Enemies Act because of soccer logo tattoo: Attorney​


An attorney representing a migrant sent to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act says her client was deported due to a soccer logo tattoo, according to court declarations submitted Wednesday night.

Linette Tobin is representing Jerce Reyes Barrios, a professional soccer player from Venezuela who protested the Maduro regime in February and March 2024 and was detained and tortured after one of the demonstrations.

Barrios came to the U.S.-Mexico border legally through the CBP One app in September 2024 but has been accused of being a Tren de Aragua, or TdA, member and was detained at a facility under maximum security, Tobin said. ...

The tattoo in question showed a crown sitting on top of a soccer ball with a rosary and the word "Dios" (God), according to Tobin. A declaration from the tattoo artist confirmed that Barrios chose it because it was similar to the Real Madrid soccer team logo, the attorney said. According to Tobin, those alleged gang signs were the hand symbol for rock and roll and "I love you" in sign language.


Comment: Our State Department should definitely issue a travel warning for the USA. They've already adjusted it anyway:

Following the arrest of individual German citizens entering the USA, the Federal Foreign Office has now responded: The ministry has updated its travel advice for the United States. Three German citizens were recently detained upon entering the USA. The German government has therefore now updated its travel advice for the United States. "Previously convicted criminals in the USA, false statements regarding the purpose of their stay, or even a slight overstay of their stay can lead to arrest, detention pending deportation, and deportation upon entry or exit," the Federal Foreign Office website now states.

 
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A Georgetown U. postdoc has been arrested in Virginia and is now incarcerated in Louisiana. He is married to a Palestinian who is now an American citizen. It is claimed without evidence that he spread Hamas propaganda and promoted antisemitism on social media.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/g...n&cvid=aa27f10c35e940e7d6b98a4fd45f6931&ei=43

And Musk showing the Roman salute is not anti-Semitic? Pure arbitrariness wherever you look. Even our law against hate speech allows Hamas propaganda. It is even hard here to declare a political party illegal that is confirmed (by courts) to be right-extreme. The "land of the free" was never less free. And figures like Musk accuse Germany of restricting freedom of expression! Ridiculous.
 
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I am shocked that this is legal.
The campaign to murder the idea of DEI is repugnant, but if I turn it around and pretend we have an administration that is supporting DEI, and a lawfirm with racist hiring practices that has promised to reform itself, and then we get this outcome (we promise to do better and we will donate legal services to support your DEI initiatives this term), it starts to feel more intuitively "probably legal", if you see what I mean.
 
How do you describe actions where specific law firms and individuals that Trump personally dislikes are being targeted unless they give in to his demands and offer him the equivalent of substantial payments? I am shocked that this is legal.

Trump rescinds order targeting law firm after it makes $40m promise:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2d4kex0w2ro
Describe this activity in New York City street terminology as the shakedown, one facet or stage of a protection racket. This form of extortion, common in the milieu that spawned Roy Cohn and his pupil Donald Trump, goes far beyond simple theft to encompass a form of social control.

A successful enterprise attracts these parasites who leach off that success. Capital and resources that otherwise might benefit or grow the enterprise or reward the entrepreneurs are shunted, essentially wasted, to benefit the thieves. Shaking down successful law firms provides an additional sweet frisson. Imagine, using usurped position and authority to extort the law firms and banks that they utilize to attack others.
 
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But the firm was originally targeted for other reasons, apparently relating to taking the "wrong side" over the Jan 6 riots,
Good point, and if not illegal, its the kind of thing where pre-2016 there would absolutely have been political consequences, possibly including impeachment. Maybe it is illegal for the Federal government to intimidate lawfirms that take cases against the Federal government, and if it isn't, I agree it should be.
 
I am shocked that this is legal.
Try it yourself sometime to find out.
Next time you get stopped for a left turn without signaling, offer a donation to the XMAS Fund.
See how that works out,

In the political arena, this influence is 'probably' more common than you realize., ie excessive corporate political donations are a form of direct lobbying, and legal.

Anyways, if the firm would desire to carry out a challenge to the illegality of the situation ( pay to play ), to whom would they complain - the DOJ - I am so sure that their case would receive immediate attention.
 
Next time you get stopped for a left turn without signaling, offer a donation to the XMAS Fund.
See how that works out,
I'm going a bit OT here, but you made me curious. Would you really try that in Canada?

In the US, local law enforcement is extremely local and there is no centralized culture from which one can generalize that a bribe is potentially helpful.

Unless I knew the officer who pulled me over and I knew he'd be receptive, I'd never expect that to offer or imply a bribe would be helpful to me; I'd expect the opposite.
 
'm going a bit OT here, but you made me curious. Would you really try that in Canada?
No. Do not try that in Canada. Nor in the USA.
The flip side is, what do you do if the officer implies that a donation to the XMAS fund would be desirable.
If one thinks deep and hard enough, there is no answer. With a donation, one may go happily on their way, or one may be facing the ticket as well as the donation.

I bring this up with the police just as an example, not to override the thread theme.
Refer back to 'rule of law' in societies that value some sort of 'equal under the law' type of legal framework.
Police in such societies are somewhat managed in what they can and should do.

In some cultures, a donation was expected, or still is, when government services are being offered so as to speed things up, to get the paper stamping done.

The main question is should high standards set for interactions with the police, and also be set for those higher up along the political, government and corporate arena at all levels? If so, why? If not, why, not?
 
The warning came as German national Fabian Schmidt is currently being held at a Rhode Island detention center since being stopped at Boston Logan International Airport on March 7 while tattoo artist Jessica Brösche has spent over a month awaiting deportation at the Otay Mesa Detention Facility in San Diego. While Brösche was suspected of planning to work illegally when crossing the border from Mexico, Schmidt had a valid green card and has been living in the U.S. since 2008. ... Family who had been in contact with Schmidt during his detention said that he was “violently interrogated” for hours, stripped naked and put in a cold shower by two officials questioning his intentions upon entering the U.S.


Comment: Welcome to the list of evil! Even North Korea is a safer place to travel to as you have a chance to obey the rules. The USA is acting unpredictably!
 
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Here is a no pay-wall story; I couldn't get to the Boston Globe story above.


@fresh_42 Is it unusual that the German embassy cites privacy concerns in giving details about the case, or is this SOP and will happen no matter what? When ICE cites that, I am suspicious, but when the Germans refer inquiries back to ICE it makes me think there must be some legitimate privacy concerns here.

From the German embassy -

“We kindly ask for your understanding that for reasons of privacy and data protection laws, we cannot provide any further details on the case,” the official said. “Considering the procedures of the Customs and Border authorities, please refer to the relevant U.S. authorities.”
 
Is it unusual that the German embassy cites privacy concerns in giving details about the case, or is this SOP and will happen no matter what? When ICE cites that, I am suspicious, but when the Germans refer inquiries back to ICE it makes me think there must be some legitimate privacy concerns here.

The German embassy and related official organizations are always very reserved regarding comments on such events—other than the media, which in this case cited the family. The officials try not to disturb ongoing efforts to free its citizens, and, yes, our privacy laws are relatively tight. But I guess it's more the nature of diplomacy that plays a role.

Anyway, it raises the question of what a foreigner can do to enter the USA legally without the risk of being detained if even a valid green card and 17 years of living in the US aren't sufficient. And on top of it: being treated inhumanly!

I can only warn anyone in their right mind not to travel to the USA.
 
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And to be cautious going the other direction as well, if re-entry is an important factor.

It is a shame.

Finland, Great Britain, Denmark, Canada, and Germany all warned their citizens to travel to the USA. This isn't a list of problematic states or even opponents of the USA. But what's really alarming is that people have no legal possibility to defend themselves. Sorry, but as soon as courts cannot be appealed anymore you are living in fascism.
 
Trump denies signing the proclamation invoking the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798" . Indeed the proclamation displayed on the whitehouse.gov website shows the proclamation without a signature. However, the copy in the Federal Regilster, the official journal of the government shows the proclamation with his signature.

Again Trump muddies the water to fool the electorate. Of course, MAGA does not have to go any further than whitehouse.gov to get the "truth" does it?
 

U.S. Turned Away French Scientist Over Views on Trump Policies, France Says​


The French authorities said the academic had been traveling to a conference near Houston when border officials blocked his entry because of conversations found on his phone.

A French scientist was prevented from entering the United States this month because of an opinion he expressed about the Trump administration’s policies on academic research, according to the French government.

Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister for higher education and research, described the move as worrying.

“Freedom of opinion, free research and academic freedom are values we will continue to proudly uphold,” Mr. Baptiste said in a statement. “I will defend the possibility for all French researchers to be faithful to them, in compliance with the law, wherever they may be in the world.”

Mr. Baptiste did not identify the scientist who was turned away but said that the academic was working for France’s publicly funded National Center for Scientific Research and had been traveling to a conference near Houston when border officials stopped him.


Comment: His mistake: He criticized Trump. Now tell me again it is not about fascism!
This kind of stuff should get a lot of international meetings out of the US.
Normally this would concern republicans, but maggots not so much.
 
This kind of stuff should get a lot of international meetings out of the US.
Normally this would concern republicans, but maggots not so much.
Anyone who travels to the USA now has only themselves to blame. Why play lottery when there is little to gain but indefinite detainment under inhumane conditions violating human rights without the possibility of a legal consultancy or appealing a court is at risk?

I know already of two German citizens being arrested and mistreated for no or ridiculous reasons. (I've read there were more but I cannot find reliable data.) It is safer to visit North Korea since at least its rules are clear. Not that I would recommend either. Norway is also beautiful. And safe.
 
Ugh. Hard to believe.

U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat about upcoming military strikes in Yemen. I didn’t think it could be real. Then the bombs started falling.
By Jeffrey Goldberg
 

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