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Warren Buffett stated that tariffs are akin to an act of war during a CBS interview, emphasizing their detrimental impact on trade relations. The discussion highlights the immediate market reactions, with the NASDAQ experiencing a significant drop due to tariff announcements. Participants express concerns over the economic ramifications, particularly for agriculture and manufacturing sectors, which are expected to face price increases and job losses as a result of the tariffs imposed on imports from Canada, Mexico, and China. The conversation also touches on the political pressures faced by Republican senators amidst public backlash against these trade policies.

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Agreed, it's a trade war—a form of bullying. Let's see how the markets react today.
The markets have already gone down a ton in anticipation of the trade war. NASDAQ is down 1,500 points today from its high yesterday.

EDIT: I misread a chart. That was 1,000 not 1,500, and it is now (3pm+) but to down "only" 500 from yesterday's high.
 
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Yep, as expected the markets aren't happy. I thought this admin was all about the economy? How will they defend this?
 
Trump never defends anything, he just declares a win and moves on. The problem will come for Republican senators who are already taking a lot of heat in town halls (which they falsely claim have been packed with Democrat agitators).
 
I've read reports that MAGA are sending republican senators death threats to fall in line or else. That, along with Elon's threat to pour money to primary any dissenters. I wonder what it will take to get them to break with Trump.
 
“Tariffs are actually — we’ve had a lot of experience with them — they’re an act of war, to some degree,” Buffett said
I'm not too happy with those kind of popular-general phrasings - the other side of the coin is that free trade can be also an act of war...

For this particular case - I think the only reason to have those tariffs is that for some specific kind of mindsets enemies are mandatory to have. And if you don't have enemies at hand then creating them is the easy choice.
And, your allies are the closest, so you may start with them right away.

Seen this up close already. Not nice.

I wonder what it will take to get them to break with Trump.
I really do hope they'll break up soon.
 
Imposing tariffs on our neighbors/allies is not criminal but it is criminally stupid.
Trump has a zero-sum mindset and therefore doesn't understand that in a free market, both parties in a transaction generally end up better off. As far as he's concerned, if another country, like Mexico or Canada, is benefiting from trade with the US, the US must be losing.

I've read reports that MAGA are sending republican senators death threats to fall in line or else. That, along with Elon's threat to pour money to primary any dissenters. I wonder what it will take to get them to break with Trump.
I've read that too, and it wasn't just the senators but members of the House as well.
 
I've read that too, and it wasn't just the senators but members of the House as well.
Other than the elected officials growing a spine, I don't know what can be done. Pressure from constituents helps, but if they are really fearful, that may override the poll numbers. With the justice dept in Trump's tiny hands, I don't know what can be done from a legal point of view on this.
 
Sure. However, there is a hidden assumption here: It assumes that deciders have a basic knowledge of the economy. I doubt that this is the case here.
Trump wants/needs a strong economy. So either he'll reverse quickly or there is something else going on here.
 
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Trump wants/needs a strong economy. So either he'll reverse quickly or there is something else going on here.
The first time he came up with tariffs, during his 1st turn, he spoke about tariffs on German car manufacturers like BMW. But they also produce in SC. That didn't make sense. It is also already damaging only to threaten it since it immediately influences decisions on investments, because they require a long-term perspective.
 
elected officials growing a spine
That would be quite an optimism, I think. They already made a deal with the devil before the elections - and I think they knew very well that there'll be a catch.

I expect them to move only if they get a very good reason to move.

Trump wants/needs a strong economy.
I think we have the exact same kind of 'leader' here and what he needs the most is to be sold as the hero who saves people from - well, from imaginary enemies he created himself :(
We got our alliances and economy ruined for that.
 
Sorry for the length of this one. I asked ChatGPT to perform a deep dive into how the tariffs would hit the U.S. with a particular eye on how it would hit his MAGA base. I don't believe that anything will change until they get hit in the pocketbook and it's clear to them where it's coming from. I got a kick out of the fact that China and Canada appear to be deliberately targeting his base with their tariffs. Here is it's response today (Word doc with links attached).



Economic Impact of New Tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China​


The U.S. has imposed sweeping new tariffs on its top trading partners – 25% on imports from Canada and Mexico, and 20% on imports from China. These levies affect roughly 40% of all U.S. imports, touching virtually every sector. Economists and industry experts warn that these tariffs will raise costs for consumers, disrupt integrated supply chains, and hit key industries like agriculture, manufacturing, and retail. Below is a sector-by-sector breakdown with projected price increases, timelines for impact, and the regions (often states that strongly supported the current administration) likely to feel the most pain first.


Agriculture and Food​


Tariffs on North American agriculture and China’s retaliation threaten both higher grocery prices and lower farm incomes, a double blow to rural communities in the administration’s base:


  • Higher Grocery Prices: Mexico supplies nearly half of U.S. imported vegetables and 40% of imported fruit (including 90% of avocados). With a 25% tariff now on Mexican produce, Americans will see produce prices climb almost immediately, rising “in step with the tariffs.” Major retailers are already responding – one CEO warned they may raise produce prices “as soon as this week” due to the Mexico tariffs. Grocers operate on thin margins, leaving little choice but to pass along the cost to shoppers. In practice, staples from avocados to tomatoes could jump roughly 20–25% in price within days if suppliers and stores pass on the full tariff. Expert analysis confirms that for perishable, high-turnover goods, consumers will feel the impact almost instantly.
  • Farm Exports Squeezed: U.S. farmers face a collapse in demand abroad as trading partners retaliate. China responded to the tariffs by slapping 10–15% duties on a wide range of U.S. agricultural exports – including soybeans, corn, wheat, sorghum, meats, dairy, fruits, and vegetables. Canada and Mexico have also vowed counter-tariffs on U.S. foods like pork, orange juice, and whiskey from key farm states. This directly targets the American Farm Belt: for example, about half of U.S. soybeans (a top export from states like Iowa) were sold to China last year. With China now raising barriers, those sales will fall further. U.S. farm exports to China were already down by billions in the last trade war, as China shifted purchases to Brazil. Now farmers fear losing even more market share. Midwestern and Plains states (Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, the Dakotas) – which strongly voted for Trump – are bracing for lower crop prices and export losses as these tariffs take effect in the coming weeks (China’s new farm tariffs begin March 10, with goods in transit exempt until April 12).
  • Immediate and Longer-Term Effects: Price hikes for food will roll out quickly. Produce and meat that cross the border post-tariff are taxed now, so household grocery bills could rise within days to weeks. Importers and restaurants are “holding their breath,” as one analysis put it. By contrast, the full impact on farmers’ incomes may unfold over months – as harvests come in and export orders dry up, farm revenues in late 2025 could slump. Many rural counties dependent on agriculture (often core Trump constituencies) may see ripple effects: farm equipment sales, silo storage, and local businesses could all suffer if farmers cut spending to survive the tariff-driven downturn.

Manufacturing and Industry​


Tariffs on North American goods and Chinese inputs are disrupting manufacturing supply chains, especially in the auto industry and machinery – sectors concentrated in the industrial heartland and Southern states that form much of Trump’s base:


  • Auto Industry “Grenade”: The automotive sector is among the hardest hit. U.S. manufacturers rely heavily on cross-border supply chains with Canada and Mexico for both finished vehicles and parts. In 2024 the U.S. imported billions in vehicles from Mexico and Canada, plus a large amount in auto parts from the two countries. A 25% tariff on these imports drastically raises production costs – analysts estimate it could add about $3,000 to the price of a new car in the U.S. One trade expert warned, “You throw 25% tariffs into all that, and it’s just a grenade” in the gears of auto production. Indeed, “there’s probably not a vehicle on the market today that wouldn’t be affected” by these tariffs, with expectations that sticker prices will start rising within 1–2 weeks of the tariffs taking effect.
  • Production Cutbacks and Job Losses: Facing higher costs, manufacturers will likely cut output. An analysis by an economic group estimates the new tariffs will raise the cost of producing a car in North America by $3,500 to $12,000 per vehicle (depending on the model). At those higher costs, many low-margin vehicles become unprofitable to make – leading companies to scale back certain models and potentially shutter some production lines. “Producers will stop making some models,” predicts the firm’s CEO, meaning job losses “across the industry” are likely as factories slow down. This is a serious concern in Midwestern states like Michigan and Ohio, as well as Southern auto hubs like Alabama, Tennessee, and South Carolina, where thousands of workers build cars and parts. Those states, many of which voted heavily for Trump, could see layoffs within months if supply chain disruptions persist. The last round of tariffs already hurt manufacturing employment – studies found Trump’s 2018–2019 tariffs reduced U.S. manufacturing jobs by about 1.4% overall, with any small gains from import protection more than offset by job losses due to higher input costs and retaliation. History is poised to repeat: in what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce calls a “reckless” move, the integrated North American manufacturing base is being taxed into a potential recession.
  • Beyond Autos – Broad Industrial Impact: Other industries are also affected. Industrial machinery, equipment, building materials, and energy sectors depend on North American trade networks that are now disrupted. For example, U.S. construction and farm equipment makers source parts from Canada/Mexico; U.S. oil refiners import Canadian crude (Canada is the #1 foreign oil supplier). With Canadian energy now facing a 10% tariff, fuel prices in the Midwest and Northeast could rise as refiners pay more. Manufacturers of appliances, aerospace components, and other goods that use steel or aluminum will also pay more, since the administration has fully restored a 25% steel tariff and expanded it to more products. All of this raises costs for U.S. factories. Business groups warn of “job losses and economic disaster” if supply chains break down. In states like Indiana, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Texas, and others with large manufacturing bases, companies are nervously eyeing input prices and export orders, trying to determine how soon they must trim payrolls or postpone investments. Many of these states are politically aligned with the administration, so any industrial downturn there will directly hit the President’s base.

Retail and Consumer Goods​


American consumers are almost certainly facing higher prices on everyday goods in the coming months. The tariffs function as a tax on imports, and retailers will have to pass on much of these costs once current inventories run out:


  • Widespread Price Increases: Over 40% of all goods America imported last year came from Canada, Mexico, or China – meaning tariffs will touch a huge range of consumer products. Electronics, appliances, clothing, toys, furniture, and household essentials are all in the crosshairs. China alone accounts for a dominant share of many consumer goods sold in the U.S.: for instance, a large majority of U.S. smartphone, laptop, and toy imports come from China. Likewise, almost all shoes sold in the U.S. are imported (with a significant share from China). Tariffs of 20% on these Chinese products (on top of existing duties) will make them more expensive for American shoppers. Initially, some large retailers might try to absorb a portion of the tariff or delay price hikes by drawing down inventory. But “Americans won’t necessarily feel the full effects of tariffs immediately” – how fast prices rise will depend on how much inventory retailers have and whether they can find alternative suppliers. In the short term (weeks to a few months), expect selective price jumps: seasonal goods and low-margin items will go up first (as there’s little cushion), while some durable goods might stay level until new stock arrives. However, experts agree that if the tariffs remain in place for more than a few months, “prices of just about everything” will increase significantly.
 

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Like I said. It's a long one and it hit the site limits of 10k characters.



Retail and Consumer Goods (cont.)​

  • Projected Cost to Households: Several analyses estimate a noticeable hit to consumers’ wallets. Some economists have warned that “tariffs are a tax on the American people.” Other institutions project that the full suite of new tariffs could raise U.S. consumer prices enough to cost the average American household an extra $2,600–$4,000 per year. In aggregate, estimates point to a one-time 0.5%–0.7% jump in the consumer price index if these tariffs stay in effect through 2025. That bump would push inflation higher than it otherwise would be – potentially approaching 3% by late 2025, versus around 2% without the tariffs. Everyday essentials are in line to get more expensive: clothing retailers have signaled that apparel prices could rise by double digits, and toy and electronics makers likewise face 10–20% cost increases that will flow to retail tags. Notably, big-box stores and discount chains that serve many rural and low-income communities will be hit hard because they stock huge volumes of low-cost imported goods. Their customers – many of whom are part of Trump’s core base – will feel the squeeze of higher prices at the checkout line within a single quarter of these tariffs taking effect.
  • Timing – From Warehouse to Wallet: The speed of price transmission will vary by product. Fresh foods and gas: immediate – as noted, produce and fuel prices react within days. Consumer electronics and appliances: these often have a pipeline of several weeks; industry observers expect noticeable price upticks within 1–3 months as spring shipments arrive with tariffs factored in. Apparel and general retail goods: many retailers imported extra goods before the tariffs (or have existing contracts), but as new inventory is procured, experts anticipate price hikes by summer 2025 if the tariffs hold. Crucially, there is limited ability for U.S. consumers to avoid these costs. Alternative suppliers (like Vietnam or India for electronics/clothes) cannot immediately fill China’s huge role, and domestic production capacity for items like apparel or consumer electronics is minimal. Ultimately, American families will pay more across the board, effectively funding the tariff via higher prices on store shelves.

Regional Impacts on the Administration’s Base​


While these tariffs will ripple through the entire U.S. economy, their most acute effects are likely to hit regions that strongly supported President Trump – namely, the agricultural heartland and industrial swing states that form his political base:


  • Farm Belt Fallout: Rural farming states are bearing the brunt of foreign retaliation and lost export markets. China’s new tariffs squarely target products central to states like Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, and Texas – including soybeans, corn, wheat, beef, pork, and dairy. These states overwhelmingly voted for Trump and were promised a revival of U.S. agriculture, but now farmers there face further declines in commodity prices and farm incomes. For example, Iowa is the top U.S. soybean producer, and billions of dollars of U.S. soy exports to China are at stake. With a new 10% Chinese tariff on soybeans (on top of earlier duties), Iowa’s growers could see a sharp drop in demand and prices. The same goes for hog farmers in North Carolina and grain farmers in Kansas. Farm-state economists warn of rising financial stress: if tariffs persist into the harvest season, farm bankruptcies could increase and land values may fall. During Trump’s first-term trade war, farm bankruptcies did spike and export losses were significant – much of that pain was concentrated in Trump-leaning rural counties. Now, local economies across the Midwest and Great Plains (from small-town equipment dealers to grain elevator operators) are bracing for another downturn triggered by lost foreign markets. Ironically, U.S. trade partners appear to be deliberately targeting these regions politically. Canada’s retaliatory list, for instance, includes products like Florida orange juice and Kentucky bourbon – flagship products of red states – while China is zeroing in on the Midwest’s grain and meat exports. This strategy is designed to exert maximum pressure on Trump’s base, and it means the economic “sting” will be felt first and foremost in red states.
  • Industrial Heartland Slowdown: Many manufacturing-heavy states that backed Trump in 2020 stand to lose jobs if the tariffs raise production costs and choke off demand. Michigan and Ohio, for example, rely on auto manufacturing and had been seeing a post-pandemic revival in factory jobs. Now, auto plants in Detroit and Toledo face cost surges that could make them scale back production – as noted, tariffs will add thousands of dollars to car production costs. Economists predict layoffs in U.S. auto plants and supplier factories within months, especially for models that become too expensive to compete. States like Indiana, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, and Kentucky – all of which have large auto, aerospace, or machinery industries – are similarly vulnerable. During the last tariff episode, studies found significant net job losses. One analysis estimated that the 2018–2019 trade war ultimately cost around 245,000 American jobs and cut U.S. GDP by 0.5%. Those losses were concentrated in manufacturing and agriculture. Similarly, other projections suggest that tariffs on Mexico, Canada, and China could each by themselves wipe out around 100,000+ U.S. jobs in the long run (full-time equivalents). If all the tariffs are implemented together, the combined drag could easily total a few hundred thousand fewer jobs than otherwise – a blow most likely to land in the Midwest and South where traded-goods industries are major employers. In short, many communities that enthusiastically supported the administration now face an unintended consequence: a potential local recession.
  • Political and Timing Considerations: The tariff impacts on the base will unfold over the next several months, and potentially peak right as the election cycle heats up. By summer 2025, consumers in Trump-friendly areas will have experienced noticeably higher prices on groceries, gas, and imports. By late 2025, if companies like automakers follow through on production cuts, unemployment could tick up in industrial counties of states like Michigan, Ohio, and Alabama. Already, financial markets and business groups are sounding alarms about a possible broader downturn – with warnings of recessions, job losses, and economic disaster on both sides of the border. While that is a perspective from abroad, U.S. regional economists echo the concern that key Trump base states could tip into mild recession by 2026 if trade volumes plunge. The “heartland” was supposed to benefit from America First trade policies, but recent studies concluded that the previous tariffs “failed to provide economic help to the heartland” and had no significant positive effect on manufacturing employment in Trump-supporting industrial areas. Instead, those areas saw higher input costs and retaliatory export losses. The current wave of tariffs seems poised to repeat that pattern, hitting hardest “where the base lives”. In the coming weeks, watch for indicators like Midwest commodity prices, factory output indexes in the Great Lakes region, and consumer confidence surveys in rural vs. urban areas – these will reveal how quickly the tariff damage is materializing on the ground. Early signs, such as automakers requesting tariff exemptions and farmers protesting new export hurdles, suggest the pain is real and mounting in the very states that the administration counts on for support.

In summary, the 25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican goods and 20% on Chinese goods are set to raise prices on vehicles, food, electronics and more in the near term. Within a few weeks, American consumers – especially in the Midwest and South – will be paying more at the grocery store and car dealership. Over a few months, factories may slow production and farms could see gluts, threatening jobs in manufacturing counties and farming communities. By the end of the year, expert forecasts suggest U.S. inflation will be about 0.5–0.7% higher and GDP roughly 0.6% lower than it would have been without these tariffs. Those figures translate into real economic strain on households and businesses, particularly in states that form the core of the President’s base. While the tariffs are aimed at protecting American industries, the data and expert analyses indicate a significant risk of collateral damage in the form of higher consumer costs and job losses in pro-Trump regions. These impacts will begin to be felt almost immediately (in the case of food prices) and will intensify over the next 1–2 quarters, potentially testing the economic resilience of the administration’s strongest supporters.
 
RE: my ChatGPT conversation does have links to sources but it pollutes the page and makes it pretty unreadable. I have the full version saved as a Word doc with the links but I'm not sure how to share that.
Hit the "attach files" button at the bottom left of the editor window
 
OK, that worked, so @Borg you should be (subject to length limits) be able to just copy/paste your Word doc directly into a post.
 
Trump has a zero-sum mindset and therefore doesn't understand that in a free market, both parties in a transaction generally end up better off. As far as he's concerned, if another country, like Mexico or Canada, is benefiting from trade with the US, the US must be losing.
Exactly. The man is brilliant as a demagogue but economically he is a moron.
 
I was able to attach the doc to the first post.
Why attach it? Why not just post it?

Here's a copy/past of the first paragraph

Economic Impact of New Tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China

The U.S. has imposed sweeping new tariffs on its top trading partners – 25% on imports from Canada and Mexico, and 20% on imports from China (Trump triggers trade war with tariffs on Canada, China and Mexico | Reuters) (What will cost Americans more from sweeping tariffs on Mexico, China and Canada - KTVZ). These levies affect roughly 40% of all U.S. imports (What will cost Americans more from sweeping tariffs on Mexico, China and Canada - KTVZ), touching virtually every sector. Economists and industry experts warn that these tariffs will raise costs for consumers, disrupt integrated supply chains, and hit key industries like agriculture, manufacturing, and retail. Below is a sector-by-sector breakdown with projected price increases, timelines for impact, and the regions (often states that strongly supported the current administration) likely to feel the most pain first.
 
I'm not too happy with those kind of popular-general phrasings - the other side of the coin is that free trade can be also an act of war...
Huh?

@Rive can you give an example of what you are talking about?
 
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Now that the limit is 35K characters, I probably can. It's pretty hard to read with all the links though.
Oh, I see. You excised a bunch of the links when you posted it. Obviously, you are right that that makes it much more readable. Thanks for that extra effort.
 

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