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An ICE agent shot a US civilian in the face today as she tried to turn her vehicle around after being ordered to "get the fuck out of here".
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ICE Murders a 37 yr old mother in Minneapolis
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An ICE agent shot and killed 37-year-old Renee Good in Minneapolis as she attempted to turn her vehicle around after being ordered to leave the area. The incident has sparked outrage, with accusations of execution and calls for justice against her killer. Good, described as compassionate and loving, leaves behind a young son. The narrative surrounding the event has been criticized, with claims that it has been manipulated by political figures, including Donald Trump, who labeled her a domestic terrorist.
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Why not?
Blow them all up!
If they do it with foreigners why not do it with the locals too?
To top the event Donald Trump tweeted that the person shouting "f****** murderer" in the video was "obviously a paid leftist".
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Unfortunately she probably won't get any justice, the narrative will be completely twisted and the judicial system menaced by the homegrown bully.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's, like, incredible." (2016)
It is like he himself pulled the trigger on Renee.
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She's been declared a domestic terrorist and Trump and Noem have said she drove over the agent who is recovering in hospital.
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SA. The parallels are frightening!
I have read these days that the only difference between Germany in 1930 and the USA today is that Germany didn't have 90 years of documentaries, movies, history lessons, (and I like to add education!) about the subject. However, I personally think that the USA is particularly bad at learning from others or history. I blame the repeated and repeated narrative of the best country of all for it, but that is my personal working hypothesis. E.g., Cruz's contribution to the Greenland debate was noting "that becoming a US citizen is the greatest gift of all". What unprecedented arrogance and overestimation of oneself. From a Canadian with a Cuban migration background! But if you hear such nonsense over and over, and over, and over, ... again, you start to believe it. I know at least two dozen countries I would prefer over the USA, and currently, as the USA is governed by a NAZI regime, many dozens more.
I have also read, and maybe it's time to spread this message:
"I don't care if you are MAGA or not, if you voted for him or not, it is your <some curses> responsibility to stop him!"
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We have all seen the video, there was no agent under that car... The ahole that murdered her just had to make ONE side step. And she had to go in reverse in order not to run him over.
Its like Gaza: "As of 19 November 2025, over 72,500 people (70,525 Palestinians and 2,109 Israelis) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 248 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers... "
And the call this MASSACRE a WAR.
Like Putin's war, they labelled it a "Special Operation".
Fed up of the "narrative control", we used to call this just lies, nothing more.
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We knew it would happen, just a matter of time. It's enraging to the 10th degree and to have the admin rush out to slander the poor women minutes after is the height of crass and cruelty. These people are evil. This administration is evil.
I think there's a reasonable chance the ICE officer who shot her will be tried for murder by the state. He won't, however, face federal charges or Trump will pardon him if he does.
I wouldn't be surprised if people like Trump, Noem, and Miller don't face any consequences if and when the Democrats regain control of the federal government. Our leaders have repeatedly shown they have neither the will nor stomach to hold the ruling class accountable.
FBI took over the investigation, leaving state, city officials nonprivy to witnesses and scene evidence.
Have any of the other shootings, or violence, by ICE agents been adequately resolved?
Court cases?
Civil liability cases?
To me, it seems a concerted lockout for balanced investigation, liability.
Have they ever re-found Einstein's brain?
It was hoped that by examination, one could find out what makes a genius.
Would it be possible to preserve and examine a brain to what makes an idiot?
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New leaked body cam video confirms it was murder
www.newsweek.com
New video shows ICE agent's perspective on Minneapolis shooting
Vice President JD Vance has shared the video on X, writing, "Watch this, as hard as it is."
www.newsweek.com
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We have an important principle here in Germany that police officers are trained for. It is called Verhältnismäßigkeit der Mittel - proportionality of means. It is also the focus of any eventual prosecutorial investigations should the police have used violence. I have never heard anything even loosely similar in the US. It seems that officers are not appropriately trained, and gun violence is used far too often.
Training did change around somewhere down the line - 1990's perhaps, when some police forces began some para-military acquisitions. A reflection of this is the black colored units replacing the more neutral white or blue. I imagine that sets a mental state of the occupants from one of 'serve and protect' to a more aggressive and intimidating stance, reflected as said 'gun violence used too often'.
Any reason ICE likes the color black of vehicle, and military style uniform???
At the very least that officer disregarded every aspect of his training - rather training that anyone of authority with a weapon should have gone through and follow.
- de-escalate the situation - he stood in front of the car, making her feel possibly surrounded and threatened.
- violent force - over and above that necessary against a subject
- break of command - one agent was in charge, not him, who ordered her to move the car. His ( violent agent ) assessment was not in line with the agent in command of the situation. He broke command leading to his own confusion of the situation.
- readiness - his eagerness to pull out his weapon, while not being under threat, gives a measure to his mental state ( no doubt this agent values his 'gun' fluidity when under stress, while at the same time not being able to control his reactions at time of stress. )
- situation unawareness - the car and lady bore no threat to his life, nor others. He choose to access the situation as if it was a takedown of a threatening violent person, which she was not.
- and others, that show this agent was under a blinkered mental state ( could be how he came to work every day )
I feel that this agent is unfit for duty, and should have been weeded out as not having on the ground situational awareness. In fact, agents such as these, seem drawn to police duty, and ICE may have more of this kind of thug than a regular city police force, due to the nature of the work ( uncompromising, gung ho attitude, disregard of constitutional rights ).
It actually falls upon the leader of the pack to set the tone. Noem, with her victim blaming, and sucking up to her boss ( who by the way would throw her under the bus in a heart beat to protect his own which she doesn't comprehend as being possible until it happens ) surely is not the one about to change the manner under which ICE operates. In fact, her public appearances state that she cares more about Trumpiness than citizen rights, something that should disqualify her for the position. ( This by the way is apparent for several seconds in command - they have little conscience, nor empathy for anyone outside of what they perceive as belonging to their exclusive circle of being a member of society )
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I didn't want to post that statement because I didn't want to do the back translation, but it fits too well.
I think she has a point. We take this principle of proportionality of means very seriously here. It is literally at the center of any action, and eventually any consequences. Police officers are equipped with rights that ordinary people do not have, so they must be trained to carry the responsibility that comes with it. Sure, it helps that we are, in general, unarmed, so de-escalation, another important principle in the training, is easier. But you cannot excuse everything with a potential danger. And, at least here, you don't want to injure, and even less so, shoot a person who stole a lollipop or whom you pulled over in a traffic control. Those things simply do not happen here. And if cops use guns, there is always an investigation afterward.
Thinking about how often I have read of gun violence by police officers in the USA, and deadly traffic controls, racial bias included, I cannot see anything that comes close to the proportionality of means. Honestly? My biggest fear driving in the US was getting pulled over! It was very exhausting to obey all speed limits, parking rules, and whatever they write on those many little signs on the right, such that you must squint to read the endless sequence of texts on the right and watch the traffic on the left. (I mainly drove within city limits.)
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You are gonna like this one so much. NOT
Blaming her is this stooges schtick.
LARRY with Larry O'Connor, is full of complete BS/
Can one spot the 50 Ways to Leave any sense of credibility by making stuff up by this guy/
More like him, judging from the comments.
Another brain when available to investigate the origins of being an idiot.
Regardless of her motive for being in the spot she was, an execution was not the way to make the agent a hero.
I give this guy a rating of 5 ass wipes.
Blaming her is this stooges schtick.
LARRY with Larry O'Connor, is full of complete BS/
Can one spot the 50 Ways to Leave any sense of credibility by making stuff up by this guy/
More like him, judging from the comments.
Another brain when available to investigate the origins of being an idiot.
Regardless of her motive for being in the spot she was, an execution was not the way to make the agent a hero.
I give this guy a rating of 5 ass wipes.
A more comprehensive analysis.
I missed the feet thing of the agents feet moving to the side and out pf the way.
Three shots fired, two as the car was passing by and moving away from the agent.
Quite damming for the agent - second degree murder
An explanation of fearing for his life would not pass jury in my opinion.
I missed the feet thing of the agents feet moving to the side and out pf the way.
Three shots fired, two as the car was passing by and moving away from the agent.
Quite damming for the agent - second degree murder
An explanation of fearing for his life would not pass jury in my opinion.
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As already mentioned, this was an execution.
I think so, you think so, a lot of people think so.
Then there are ones favouring the agent doing his job. These could include the investigators of the incident, the FBI, who may or may not be impartial. Will justice prevail.
A sad story if in less than 5 seconds the agent just destroyed his career.
Double sad that, in doing so, a life was taken.
Court records unpack background of Jonathan Ross, the ICE officer who fatally shot Renee Good
Jonathan Ross, who shot and killed Renee Good on Wednesday, is an Iraq War veteran who has served for nearly two decades in the Border Patrol and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, court records show.
www.wbur.org
Is this cowboy mentality, pushed upon them, and rewarded, by upper command.
Something is not right at ICE command.
From court testimony in that case, the identity was ascertained.
The agent appears to be in it for an inch, if not a mile.
- served in IRAQ as a machine gunner on a gun truck as part of a combat patrol team
- Border Patrol in 2007-2015 near El Paso, Texas as a field intelligence agent gathering and analyzing information on cartels and drug and human smuggling.
- joined ICE in 2015 as a deportation officer based in Minnesota, assigned to fugitive operations, seeking “higher value targets”
- a team leader with the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.
- team leader of agents who went to arrest the man outlined from above
- a firearms instructor
- an active shooter instructor
- a field intelligence officer
- member of the SWAT team.
- learned to speak Spanish.
This "- member of the SWAT team. " points to the mentality of ICE in their actions in some operations - overwhelm, confuse, apprehend. When watching the video I did reflect upon SWAT tactics of the orders given to confuse the subject. Now I know why.
No mention of who the team leader in this operation was.
If he was team leader, he did not have control of the situation.
If not, then as said in14, he attempted to abrogate the chain of command, possibly feeling that he knows best from experience, with dire consequences.
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This reads like someone qualified as a train driver was given the job of a taxi driver. The comparison SWAT and ICE alone is already embarrassing for those who hire those agents. All these stories, and there have been many since last year, sound to me as if ICE at prior assumes guilt. If law enforcement personnel slip into the role of judges, then the USA has a far bigger problem than violence! I cannot find the least justification, regardless of which level I consider this shooting.
Law enforcement in the US is also supposed to follow this principle.
Many of the new ICE agents are not appropriately trained. They received only 47 days of training, and the pool of applicants that ICE got these guys doesn't consist of the best and brightest. We should recognize that in this administration, the purpose of ICE isn't primarily to enforce the law, it's to foment fear. Trump and Noem don't want officers who will behave professionally. They want thugs.
Someone commented above about the agent ruining his career in a matter of seconds. I wouldn't be surprised if he's instead lauded for his actions by ICE leadership.
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Maybe in theory. If so, you wouldn't have so many people dying during traffic controls or strangled on the sidewalk by police officers.
In any organization that is how it should be - we got your back buddy, to keep the cohesion and unity intact.
Until the f/// up is too great, and affects the organization's workings. Especially in police and military environments, under which ICE operates in these city-to-city deployments.
For this particular f/// up, the way ICE has been set up in its present form, ICE Command will probably not ostracize the individual, as the others on the team will surely respond with "What the h man, you sh//ing on us for doing out job." And that would be internal, and should be kept internal, until an outside force decides whether or not the action was warranted, with repercussions, in this case coming from the FBI with its investigation."
The problem here is the political dropout from bringing the occurrence into the public arena, which is the fault of the admin. NO Comment until the investigation is complete went out the window.
The 'left' will express their exasperation of the event, which is normal.
The 'right' in this case has overstepped its bounds, with attempted justification of the event, and we know their position by what is being said. Instantly defaming the deceased as being a domestic terrorist, a paid disruptor protestor, her own fault, attempted to ram the agent, violent individual, agent acted in self defense, ... Besides the administration team, there are politicians and those as in the video in post 16 ( Larry ), who add rhetoric, and false narrative, thinking they are doing anything good, but all made up on the spot.
To whom they are speaking and trying to convince is anyone's guess ( maybe themselves ) as it's a pretty much closed circle echo.
This puts the FBI and DOJ in a strange position as having to decide and explain legally versus following the narrative, initiated by the admin and others following along.
1) FBI states move on folks, nothing to see here = ICE is above the law.
2) FBI states warrant issued for agent arrest = ICE already acting above the law and needs curtailing
3) DOJ has to decide whether to prosecute, or not.
The admin is eats itself alive, as it doesn't know when to shut up, pitting one agency against another, as its running out of arguments towards rationalization of this and other events.
Joyce Vance says public has no confidence in Minneapolis shooting investigation
Noem claimed Good had "weaponized her vehicle" against officers "in an attempt to kill or cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism." The statement was ripped into by Vance, who says there is "no confidence" in the federal investigation.She wrote, "Meticulous investigations have to be conducted before conclusions are reached. It was irresponsible for Noem to call it self-defense. Conclusions in a situation like this shouldn’t be political knee-jerks; they should be fact-based."
Just one retort to the Admin's irresponsible framing to modify public opinion, a public that isn't buying.
DOJ leaders resign in protest after Trump official refuses to probe deadly ICE shooting
Three sources briefed on the departures told MS NOW that top leaders in the criminal section of the Civil Rights Division left their jobs to indicate their frustration that Harmeet Dhillon, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, decided not to investigate the ICE officer's killing of 37-year-old Renee Good.
The candidate acceptance process seems suspect according to this person who applied.
"And yet, the pending and upcoming tasks list suggested a very different outcome. My physical fitness test had been initiated on Oct. 6, it said: three days in the future. My medical check had apparently been completed on Oct. 6."
Jedeed wrote, "The officer ran down other departments I might end up in: Prosecutions, Removal Coordination Unit, or Detention. The point being that I should not expect to be a badass street officer on Day 1."
“'I have so many guys that come over to me, they’re like, "I’m gonna put cuffs on somebody. I’m gonna arrest somebody." Well, you need to master this first and then we’ll see about getting you on the field.' I told him that I was fine with office work—with my analyst background, it seemed like a better fit for my skill set anyway."
"His attitude shift was subtle, but instant and unmistakable; this was the wrong attitude and the wrong answer. 'Just to be upfront, the goal is to put as many guns and badges out in the field as possible,' he said."
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This is actually what the admin wants. The want their version of SS. Violent and reckless. Always obeying.
With our tax money it's not going to get any better
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This is very strange. When police officers in Germany use their weapons, there is always an investigation by the corresponding state attorney. No questions, and definitely no way to prevent it.
But it is, as a friend of mine once said, US cops often use more bullets in a single event than the entire police force in Germany in a year.
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Not strange, but frightening, sad and intended.
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The lack of separation of powers is disconcerting and strange. State attorneys in Germany lead investigations into police officers, not police officers investigating other police officers. And they are independent from the executive power.
Edit: We also have a thing called "Dienstaufsichtsbeschwerde" (Official complaint?) that can be submitted by anyone when people think they're not doing their jobs.