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The forum discussion centers on the ongoing protests in Minnesota and the invocation of the Insurrection Act by federal authorities. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has mobilized the National Guard in response to escalating tensions. The conversation draws parallels to Canada's Emergency Measures Act invoked by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during the Truckers Convoy protests in 2022, highlighting issues of governmental overreach and the suppression of civil rights. The discussion also references the tragic shooting of Renee Good by an ICE agent, raising concerns about law enforcement's role and accountability in these situations.

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  • Understanding of the Insurrection Act and its implications for state and federal authority.
  • Familiarity with the Emergency Measures Act in Canada and its historical context.
  • Knowledge of civil rights and the legal frameworks governing protests in the U.S. and Canada.
  • Awareness of the role of federal agencies like ICE in law enforcement and immigration issues.
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  • Research the legal ramifications of the Insurrection Act and its historical applications.
  • Examine the Emergency Measures Act and its impact on civil liberties during protests in Canada.
  • Study the role of law enforcement agencies in managing protests and their accountability mechanisms.
  • Investigate the implications of federal versus state authority in crisis situations, particularly in the U.S.
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This discussion is beneficial for political analysts, civil rights advocates, law enforcement professionals, and anyone interested in the dynamics of governmental authority during civil unrest.

Sounds like the Canadian War Measures Act(1914), superseded by the Emergency Measures Act(1988).
Trudeau, the Younger, enacted the Emergency Measures Act, on the Truckers Convoy (2022) Protest in Ottawa, to clear them out, after calling them all sorts of names, including racist, Nazi, desecrators, refusing to meet with them to parlay, instead hunkering down and invoking the act by decree, rather than through parliament as it states in the act. Trudeau the Dumber wanted his way - the Act provided him the way.
Many donating to the Convoy had their financial assets, bank accounts frozen, affecting mortgages, rent, food purchases, mothers/wives/families in association. Vehicles used in the protest were subject to confiscation affecting the livelihood of the owners and their families. ( One owner has just been granted ownership back to him than the state ( Trudeau ) by court order - 4 years after the event ).
Presumed leaders, of which there were none, but rather organizers in their own making to keep the protest peaceful, were subjected to trial of possible 8 years incarceration as per prosecutor demands, receiving only several months and community service for the crime of mischief.

A recent Federal court determined that the invocation of the ACT by Trudeau the Arrogant was unreasonable, determining that no national emergency existed. Existing laws were available to curtail the protest by police forces, bit not used. Note that at the Ottawa police were deemed incompetent for allowing the protestors to set up by Trudeau sidekicks, but in fact were acting constitutionally respecting the right to protest. Trudeau the Self Appointed determined that such rights were subject to whim of power.

One would not think that such a 'likable' person, acting as prime minister would ever attempt, let alone contemplate, to get his way by destroying the citizens of the country that he represents just by the disagreeing with him and exercising their rights to show disagreement, and perhaps change government transparency and details. In Korea, a leader is facing jail for for his attempt at curtailing citizen rights. So far, Trudeau is not facing any legal ramifications, and still regarded as 'level leaded' in certain world circles ( Chinese leader as far as I can tell is the only one who called him a dunce ).

So, as for the US, ( and Korea at least ) there seems to be more checks and balances to buck against a leader who goes rogue, with unstable mental faculties. Someone, such as with the Canadian leader as shown here, can convince and control his law making team more easily in a ( Canadian ) parliamentary system under siege, than that available under the USA system.

There is more to show that pleasant Trudeau the Chameleon is a more disgusting, nasty, deceiving, and opportunistic individual, than the current leader of the free world.

The withdrawal of basic rights for individuals happened overnight under the previous government of Canada.
 
She was shot in the side of the head.

people.com

Renee Good’s Family Releases Independent Autopsy Showing Where She Was Shot: Attorney

Independent preliminary autopsy findings have revealed further details about Renee Nicole Good's death.
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Good was found inside her car with four apparent gunshot wounds on Jan. 7. The 37-year-old mother of three had just dropped her 6-year-old child off at school before a fatal encounter with federal immigration agent Jonathan Ross, PEOPLE previously reported. He joined ICE in 2015 and was serving in 2025 as a firearms instructor and member of the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.
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The pathologist identified three clear gunshot wound paths to Good’s body. One bullet struck her left forearm, resulting in soft tissue hemorrhage. Another traveled through her right breast, but did not penetrate any major organs. The third gunshot wound proved fatal, as it entered the left side of her head near the temple and exited the right side of her head.
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Stuff like that shows the ability of the admin to try to turn an occurrence to what they see as advantage.
I suspect these shows of treating people as insignificant turns off voters one by one ( except diehard MAGA ), seeing the blatant altering of the 'truth'.
The admin doesn't realize that nobody likes a lie, and it is showing up in the polls.
Whoever is running that shit-show, and approving that stuff is what , a 10 year old fixated on potty humour.
 
It's all so funny. I love this new world they are creating in the United States. He's a domestic terrorist already.

www.nytimes.com

Trump and Federal Officials Try to Blame Minnesota Authorities and Slain Man

Before an investigation could be conducted, they called Alex Jeffrey Pretti a “domestic terrorist” and said the governor and Minneapolis mayor were inciting rebellion.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The US has ascended beyond the mortal understanding of truth. He was standing there with his phone, filming.

This can happen to any of you at any time. None of you are safe anywhere ever. You love to see it. Whatever you do, don't use violence to oppose it. 😉
 
EricDMMiller said:
It's all so funny. I love this new world they are creating in the United States. He's a domestic terrorist already.
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This can happen to any of you at any time. None of you are safe anywhere ever. You love to see it. Whatever you do, don't use violence to oppose it. 😉
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Yes, that is partly my thinking when I see yet another school shooting on tv: it is somehow funny to watch. Since the people apparently don't want to do anything about it, I decided to accept this idiotic point of view and laugh about all those unreasonable 'thoughts and prayers' afterward. I used to be rather compassionate, but if that's how they want it, then I might as well sit back and amusedly wonder how that can be. I mean, what else do they need than Sandy Hook? I thought more than once that foreign terrorists are crazy to attack the USA. They are far more effective themselves, and turning on CNN International is way cheaper than terrorist training camps.

My problem in this case is:
  • I do not understand why the opposition (is there one?) doesn't go crazy and talk 24/7 about it on news channels, in Congress, the Senate, everywhere

  • I know too well how such things went on and where it ended, and that a massive coordinated foreign iniative, called the allies, were necessary to set an end to it. An option the USA doesn't have.
 
EricDMMiller said:
The guy that ICE shot 10 times committed the crime of filming them.
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Yucky/
That is the guy they took down, with one agent banging on his head and then shooting him.
Probably for stating that he had the right to film, and paid the price for being right with his life from an asshole agent's firearm.

There are the persons called auditors in the US, since spreading to other countries doing similar.
Usually they setup on public land ( sidewalk for example ), or in public ( gov't ) buildings and stand ground when confronted with trespass or other order( arrest ) from police that respond to the 911 call of a person causing a disturbance. The call usually comes from a nearby business of government building after they sent out a security guard or manager to chase him away with no luck.
In the USA, and Canada, it is constitutionally legal to film on public on or in public areas as long as non-harassing, directly into windows, and some other caveats such as filming children outside a school ( which is legal except you will have a lot of explaining to do in front of a judge ).
Some police so not know the rules and try to intimidate, siding at the outset with the complainant until educated, and then most of the time back off, tell the uniformed and lying complainant the actual law, and leave.
One does not need to be the press, as the right to film applies to everyone.

Except in Quebec where you may have to ask a person's permission to film, or post, due to more stringent privacy laws ( does that include police? - maybe, might see you in court if the situation desires it from the police or prosecutor's perspective ). Quebec always has to be different.
The rest of Canada follows along similar to the USA where in public there is no expectation of privacy when out and about in public.
There are auditors in the rest of Canada. I have not seen one from Quebec.

It would seem that the ICE agents, were applying the version of expected privacy that Quebec has adopted, even though ICE is in the USA.

One can see the edge effect of adopting a more 'progressive' version of constitutional rights such as that of Quebec, which by the way most people would agree with, even though there are cameras everywhere - on buildings, hydro poles, cars, at the ATM, at work, at sporting and entertainment venues ...., - filming them constantly. Put an actual person with a camera on the street and people go nuts. The USA and Canadian ( barring Quebec ) constitutions promote the right to know for the public, and lesson the will of the 'nuts' who would want nothing less than censorship.
 
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EricDMMiller said:
Whatever you do, don't use violence to oppose it.
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Survival is not an entitlement; US democracy may fall to MAGA. Citizens feeling that violence is all that is left to them is what US democracy failing looks like. I hope that does not happen in my lifetime.

Resistance is much more effective when non-violent. That the administration agrees is obvious from the immediate rationalization of MAGA after a homicide - the victim is portrayed as violent and aggressive. The administration understand the power a martyr has and they paint the victims as violent to strip them of that power. If the videos had shown this man shooting at ICE agents, his death would be a meaningless footnote, similar to the man who tried to assassinate Trump and was killed. MAGA will desperatly attempt to foucs the discussion on the gun he was legally carrying and did not draw - if they can't keep the narrative there, his death will bring a reckoning.
 
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fresh_42 said:
talk 24/7 about it on news channels, in Congress, the Senate, everywhere
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At least on the media I consume, its the dominant story. The WSJ story is probably behind a paywall, I don't think the others are.



apnews.com

The man killed by a US Border Patrol officer in Minneapolis was an ICU nurse, family says

Family members say the man who was killed by a federal officer in Minneapolis was an intensive care nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital who cared deeply about people and was upset by President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown in his city.
apnews.com apnews.com

www.mediaite.com

Family of ICE Victim Call Out ‘Sickening Lies’ from Trump Admin: ‘Reprehensible and Disgusting’

The family of Alex Pretti slammed the Trump administration for spreading "sickening lies" about the 37-year old ICU nurse who was shot by Border Patrol agents
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com

www.nytimes.com

Democrats Vow Not to Fund ICE After Shooting, Imperiling Spending Deal

Key Senate Democrats said they would oppose legislation needed to avoid a government shutdown at the end of the week after federal agents shot and killed a Minneapolis resident.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Grinkle said:
At least on the media I consume, its the dominant story. The WSJ story is probably behind a paywall, I don't think the others are.
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I didn't mean this specific incident. There have been many, many, many similar stories before. I would have expected that something purposed to be the opposition would have had no other subjects since long time. The outcry now is big since it was a white man, and a gun owner.

I'm not sure, but it feels (watching from here) as if people were far less concerned when it was children, women, male Latinos, tourists, or even female or young American citizens whom they deported, arrested (at borders, or court rooms, out of cars, etc.), and even made orphans, or executed them.

The second aspect is a real dilemma for the gun nuts in the US. They murdered one of their own, and his gun was the cause, not as they usually propagate, the solution to the situation.
 
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fresh_42 said:
They murdered one of their own, and his gun was the cause, not as they usually propagate, the solution to the situation.
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For sure.

www.fox10tv.com

NRA slams federal prosecutor’s post about Minneapolis shooting: ‘Dangerous and wrong’

A Border Patrol agent in Minneapolis shot and killed a man, ratcheting up tensions in a city already shaken by another fatal shooting weeks earlier.
www.fox10tv.com www.fox10tv.com

fresh_42 said:
I would have expected that something purposed to be the opposition would have had no other subjects since long time.
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Do you mean opposition to 2nd amendment gun culture in the US? There is such, but it doesn't get mainstream attention as there are no realistic hopes for any change to the 2nd amendment or the SCOTUS broad interpretation of it (as you also have concluded, I'm sure).
 
Grinkle said:
Do you mean opposition to 2nd amendment gun culture in the US?
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No, I meant the political opposition in a democratic society, the Dems. But I admit that I do not fully understand the American system. It is apparently different here. If our government were to do what the Trump administration does, our parliament wouldn't debate anything else, one investigation committee would be established after the other, and one case would chase the other at our version of the Supreme Court (BVG).
 
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fresh_42 said:
I meant the political opposition in a democratic society
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You saw that in the last two years of the 2016 administration, and if the Dems take back the house in the mid-terms you will see it again.

Structurally, the House of Representatives is winner-take-all, and the Speaker of the House is the winner even supreme over their party. There is non-stop protest in the House, but you never hear about it because it can't amount to anything due to the way the House works. The Speaker has total control over what comes to a floor vote, except for a work-around called a discharge petition, which you may have heard of since a couple of them recently passed.

So what one sees here in the US on the left media is sound bites of congress members voicing dissent, calling for impeachment etc. You don't see it the mainstream media because it can't go anywhere, its pure theater. I don't say that disparagingly, some theater is good theater, after all.

You also hear a lot of CNN reports that 'behind the scenes' Republican congresspeople are 'concerned'. That is infuriating to hear, of course. Its doesn't even rise to the level of theater.

The Senate is similar but not quite as lop-sided, since it takes 60 senators to pass most things (the exception is called 'reconciliation' which is intended to pass budgets). So in the Senate you tend to get more coverage of discontented Democratic senators since if they all stick together they can block most measures except for budget bills, but they cannot pass measures without a majority.

I think the German parliament is more democratic, our House of Representatives imo can only be described as autocratic under the Speaker.
 
Grinkle said:
Survival is not an entitlement; US democracy may fall to MAGA. Citizens feeling that violence is all that is left to them is what US democracy failing looks like. I hope that does not happen in my lifetime.

Resistance is much more effective when non-violent. That the administration agrees is obvious from the immediate rationalization of MAGA after a homicide - the victim is portrayed as violent and aggressive. The administration understand the power a martyr has and they paint the victims as violent to strip them of that power. If the videos had shown this man shooting at ICE agents, his death would be a meaningless footnote, similar to the man who tried to assassinate Trump and was killed. MAGA will desperatly attempt to foucs the discussion on the gun he was legally carrying and did not draw - if they can't keep the narrative there, his death will bring a reckoning.
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Well, enjoy it when it kicks down your door and comes for you.

It should only be a matter of time. After all, you're already a domestic terrorist for being a part of this site.
 
Grinkle said:
I think the German parliament is more democratic, our House of Representatives imo can only be described as autocratic under the Speaker.
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That sounds as if you were quite vulnerable to despotism. Too bad that the ones who claim they need their weapons to prevent despotism are simultaneously the ones who support its current version.
 

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The government statements claiming the dead man "approached with a gun" when video shows he approached with a camera isn't a mistake or even really a lie in the conventional sense. It's a demonstration that the official narrative will be whatever they say it is, and the video doesn't matter, and the declaration doesn't matter, and you don't matter.

That's why she's hiding. Because she watched the system function exactly as designed, five feet away, and understood that the design includes her.

I don't know what the agents will do when they find me.
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She knows exactly what they'll do. The only uncertainty is just whether she'll be classified as a terrorist or an armed agitator in the official statement after she's a corpse.
 
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