What's new

What does the Democratic party need to do in order to win back control of the government?

  • Context: Other 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Grinkle
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The Democratic Party must establish a clear and compelling vision for America to regain control of Congress and the White House. Key strategies include effectively communicating achievements, such as record oil production during the Biden administration, and addressing critical issues like immigration and minimum wage. The party needs to engage centrist voters by differentiating means from outcomes, while also countering the influence of the ultra-left. Failure to mobilize voters, particularly in swing states, has proven detrimental, highlighting the need for a focused and inclusive campaign strategy.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of political campaign strategies and voter engagement
  • Knowledge of key issues affecting swing voters, such as immigration and economic policies
  • Familiarity with the Democratic Party's recent electoral history and challenges
  • Awareness of the impact of messaging on public perception and voter turnout
NEXT STEPS
  • Research effective political messaging strategies for engaging centrist voters
  • Analyze the impact of immigration policies on voter sentiment in battleground states
  • Explore case studies on successful campaign strategies from previous elections
  • Investigate the role of minimum wage policies in influencing voter behavior
USEFUL FOR

Political strategists, campaign managers, Democratic Party members, and anyone interested in understanding voter dynamics and effective campaign strategies in U.S. elections.

I also wonder if a country can ever get too big for a simple democracy to work?
I tended to think this, too, but India is a good example of how big doesn't contradict the ability to be governed by a democratic system, especially as democracy can be broken down into regional and local structures. Whether the US system can be called a democracy (electoral college, gun laws, staffing of SCOTUS) is a different question that, in my opinion, doesn't have a clear yes as the answer.
 
What I find interesting in the discussion of Democrats vs Republicans is the assumption that a two-party system is the most effective. In our complex world, we really struggle to hold dichotomous viewpoints (as seen by the breadth of ideas in each political party).
I don't know if the assumption is that it's the most effective but rather that it's not something that will foreseeably change given the current US system.

As one political science professor colleague described it, the two major parties have a gentleman's agreement to keep only the Republicans and Democrats in power. For example, the major party candidates are automatically placed on the ballot whereas third party candidates have to jump through hoops to get on the ballot in each state. When Bernie Sanders ran for president in 2016, he ran as a Democrat even though he's actually not a Democrat. He explained that given the system, it's not viable to run outside of the two major parties. His supporters accused the party and media of trying to suppress his campaign so that Hillary, a "normal" Democrat, would get the nomination. For example, the party gave Hillary the debate questions before the debate so she'd be better prepared than Bernie.

Then there's the incestuous relationship the mainstream media, especially the Washington press, has with the two major parties. It tends to shut out any candidates it don't consider "normal," meaning a mainstream Republican or Democrat, so candidates with other viewpoints have tremendous difficulty in getting their message out. Andrew Yang, for example, noted the Washington press corp wouldn't talk to him, and he only made inroads because Joe Rogan had him on his show where his message resonated with a lot of the listeners. Yet MSNBC deliberately went out of its way to ignore his campaign, instead supporting "normal" Democrats who were polling worse than Yang.

I also wonder if a country can ever get too big for a simple democracy to work? When half of America's population disagrees with the elected incumbent and that number of people is larger than the full population of many countries around the world, is there a need to redesign the democratic approach to better represent the people?
It's probably true that a democratic system is only viable with a population that shares a common set of values. I don't think US is too big in that sense yet, but there are obvious problems with the current system.

One of the ideas behind the electoral college, for instance, was that each district would effectively choose an elector who would then vote for the president, but the states realized they could get more influence at the federal level if they wholeheartedly supported the eventual winner, which resulted in the winner-take-all method of awarding electors. This incentivizes candidates to focus on the voters in battleground states instead of appealing to most voters nationwide.

The number of House members has been fixed for a long time now. California has a population of about 40 million but only 52 representatives in Congress, so on average, each representative has about 770000 constituents. To put it another way, each person has effectively very little influence in Congress these days. The system would probably work better if it was more fine-grained, so each member had fewer people to represent.
 
The system would probably work better if it was more fine-grained, so each member had fewer people to represent.
But then you would have more nuanced issues to deal with. Keep in mind that each state has only two senators. At some point, the views have to be broken down into well-defined issues. And then the parties have to further refine them to represent a national consensus. The two parties represent more general and widely focused approaches to governing. Third parties seem to be more narrowly focused and generally may not be representative of a majority.

With regard to the electoral college, I am of the opinion that it sould be eliminated or at least have electors divided according to the popular vote in each state instead of a winner-takes-all all.
 
With regard to the electoral college, I am of the opinion that it sould be eliminated or at least have electors divided according to the popular vote in each state instead of a winner-takes-all all.
Republicans will fight that to their dying breath because it gives rural communities outsized representation that tends to vote Republican.
 
Republicans will fight that to their dying breath because it gives rural communities outsized representation that tends to vote Republican.
No doubt that is true. That said, I think all small states, red or blue, would fight it. New Hampshire would not go quietly into political obscurity, for instance.

I would enthusiastically support a true popular vote for president. I'd even prefer the HoR to elect the president to today's system, if it were one rep / one vote. My rep is a Dem, at least I'd get to be casting one electoral vote for a non-Republican candidate, which in today's system I never will unless I move states.
 
The system would probably work better if it was more fine-grained, so each member had fewer people to represent.
This raises the interesting question of a representative democracy vs a participatory one. In a small village, it can be truly participatory with all adults involved in group decisions. In ancient Greece, the Senate of all citizens (admittedly, only the men) met to agree upon common decisions. The argument for representation came about as group sizes got much larger, but with internet tools, could we consider more use of participatory democracy when making decisions? The cynic in me says that too many would not be bothered (just look at the percentage who vote), but still, those who do care have such a limited voice at present.
 
The argument for representation came about as group sizes got much larger, but with internet tools, could we consider more use of participatory democracy when making decisions? The cynic in me says that too many would not be bothered (just look at the percentage who vote), but still, those who do care have such a limited voice at present.
The average citizen doesn't have the time to become well informed on many issues. And a lot of people are just plain lazy—you know, like the ones who were just discovering on Election Day that Biden was no longer running for president. Frankly, I wouldn't trust an ignorant population to make wise choices on complex issues facing the nation. One of the advantages of having representatives is that their job is to become informed and try to reach good compromises.
 
I would not trust using the internet. Is there any guarantee that there was no finagling at some point?
Of course, but if we can do secure banking, travel and other government documents and share trading all online, surely we can invent a secure way to seek opinions?
 
The average citizen doesn't have the time to become well informed on many issues. And a lot of people are just plain lazy—you know, like the ones who were just discovering on Election Day that Biden was no longer running for president. Frankly, I wouldn't trust an ignorant population to make wise choices on complex issues facing the nation. One of the advantages of having representatives is that their job is to become informed and try to reach good compromises.
Agree to an extent. Allowing an uniformed group of possibly unwilling voters to chose representatives just pushes the problem further down the pipe. Being a citizen should mean holding responsibility - the country is not there solely to serve the people, the people also need to take their part. This possibly speaks to a larger problem in society/humanity - the ever increasing focus on self.
 
I would report him to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for crimes against humanity. While that wouldn't matter because the US doesn't recognize the court, it would significantly restrict his freedom of travel (no more golfing in Scotland!) and seriously affect his narcissism.

Reason: the orphans he created during his first term, and the causa Garcia.
 
Your post made me curious, so I checked. Any individual on earth can do just that, actually. There is a prosecutorial office that decides whether or not to proceed with any given complaint. Now I’m curious as to how many such complaints exist. If I can find out, I’ll post.
 
I presume that's unlikely to do much good, but even if it succeeded, it's not clear that JD Vance would be an improvement.
I think that it is clear that it wouldn't. The current Republican personnel can best be described as "rotten". I even have had the following dialogue in private:

"I think that Trump has dossiers of every Republican about their misconduct, like touching little boys, secret girlfriends, or whatever."
Me: "But they can't all have skeletons in the closet."
"If they are Republicans, they can."

(I hope I translated it correctly.)
 
Last edited:
I hadn't previously noticed that an impeachment resolution has been introduced:

H.Res.353 - Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/353/text

I presume that's unlikely to do much good, but even if it succeeded, it's not clear that JD Vance would be an improvement.
I had thought that the impeachment proposition it was voted down, even by Democrats, who viewed it as an attempt at 'vote getting' from the sponsors and not to be taken with seriously.
 
As long as the Republicans control Congress, impeachment's going to fail, but I think articles of impeachment should be filed anyway. With the blatant lawlessness and corruption of this administration, to sit idly by is dereliction of duty by members of Congress, a violation of their oath to defend the Constitution.

 
I would have hoped that even some Republicans would by now realise that Trump is harmful and needs to be removed, and some of those may have little to lose (if for example they are not expecting to stand for re-election). The case for impeachment seems legally a lot stronger than last time.
 
It's all about charisma. Seriously, look at all the presidential elections after video technology was invented and ask yourself, who was the most charismatic of the two candidates? Most charismatic candidate = Next president. The Democrats should simply be choosing the candidate who's got a presence on stage.
 
Watching the big bill move along, I am continually annoyed and disappointed at the Democratic party response.

I hear that response as so - This bill reduces services in order to give tax breaks to the rich.

That is some pretty weak sauce, imo. Its a valid statement that does accurately describe the big bill from a certain perspective, but that's all it is - it is not at all an alternate proposal or even a list of problems that most Americans agree need to be worked on.

I would like to hear something like so, including Social Security because its an issue the R's have completely avoided so far and a place where the D's can come out of the gate first -

The deficit trajectory is a problem - it must be reversed.
The Social Security trust fund must be made financially sound or we must acknowledge that not changing Social Security means our plan is for the automatic benefit reductions to take place after the trust fund is exhausted.

The big bill proponents claim that we will grow our way out of deficit trouble. This is nonsense.

We need to attack these issues by (now I pick my own specifics, but I'd be satisfied with any specific numbers here)

1. Change the debt limit to be a % of GDP instead of an absolute $ value
2. Raising FIT taxes to generate 20% more income tax revenue than we currently get at the Federal level
3. Freezing spending on medicare and defense at current levels until / unless deficit spending falls below 2% GDP
4. Raising the retirement age for those born later than 1975 by 2 years (I don't know how much this helps SS trust fund issues, change the numbers as needed)

If the above seems too specific, I'd even be happy with a much more general plank like -

We will balance the budget by increasing tax revenue by 20% and reducing spending by 20%. Or whatever numbers one wants with some roadmap math to back up the claim that it will put the deficit on a shrinking trajectory. Social Security shall transition on its own to a fully pay-as-you-go system with commensurate reductions in benefits after the trust fund is exhausted. (Maybe that no less unfair than raising the retirement age, there is no answer that feels altogether good).

I am sick of all the political courage being shown by a group of people whose policies I abhor. We live in a hard world, and the R's are much more willing to say that out loud than the D's, and its working for them politically, because although they are offering simple (imo mis-guided and self-serving) responses to complex questions, at least they are offering responses.

Whenever I hear a D congressperson asked for their suggestion as to D policies, the response is something like "we need a society that is fair to all" or some such vision statement that is 100% devoid of any policy statement. Vision is not policy. We need someone in their 40's or 50's to take a page from Sanders' book and actually espouse some real policies.
 

Liberal Democracy Values

  • Free and Fair Elections
  • Rule of Law
  • Separation of Powers & Checks and Balances
  • Protection of Civil Liberties and Human Rights
  • Pluralism & Political Competition
  • Independent Media & Free Press
  • Open Civil Society

Community Values

  • Civility
  • Productivity
  • Good Faith Debate
  • Evidence Based Debate
  • Transparency
  • Integrity

Community Motto

"It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and expose lies." - Noam Chomsky
Back
Top