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Don't worry I've taking the piss out of custom's officers for decades on account of my family name...
The dialog went on somthing like this:
What's your name? Francisco Español.
No, I know you're from Spain. I mean your name? Again (me now slower):
My name is Francisco Español.
(Custom officer now blowing air: Pfff... )
Me: Would you look again more catefully at my passport? I'm Spanish twice.
Officer: Ahhh...
So I have been exploiting my name for a long time.
AND nothing pisses a far right spaniard more that being told tgst I'm more Spanish than them.
When the start rumbling aggressively I only have to hand them my id card.
"Ahhh... What an honor having your name!"
See?

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That's your actual name?! I can see how that can lead to misunderstandings! My middle name is "Bro" (literally "bridge"), but everyone (even people I don't know) call me "Søren Bog" ("bog" = "book"), because I always carry a book and read while I walk. I've made some pretty silly practical stunts (walking into signs and whatnot, stopping the traffic and being forced to bow for people clapping!). It has reached the point where people I don't know approach me with books they think I should read!

EDIT: What I don't get though, is that everyone walks while reading on their phone. I can't really see the difference.

 
Now Israel has only generated even more terrorists.
Not an absolute statement.
Hamas generated more terrorists by willing to sacrifice their own population.

Hamas embedded their fighters and war machine within the civilian infrastructure.
There are no Hamas military bases known to have existed. that could have been easy targets.
Promoting Hamas as being and having a moral superiority as most of the world attempted by conveniently forgetting the initial attack from Hamas onto Israel, that led to the response of prolonged the strikes. Hamas felt little reason to 'negotiate' or give up the hostages.
 
Not an absolute statement.
Hamas generated more terrorists by willing to sacrifice their own population.

Hamas embedded their fighters and war machine within the civilian infrastructure.
There are no Hamas military bases known to have existed. that could have been easy targets.
Promoting Hamas as being and having a moral superiority as most of the world attempted by conveniently forgetting the initial attack from Hamas onto Israel, that led to the response of prolonged the strikes. Hamas felt little reason to 'negotiate' or give up the hostages.
Point one: How does one "sacrifice their own population"? That's called "armed forces". Palestine has none.
And Hamas is not Palestine.
Point two: if Hamas had the military might to have military bases why would they engage in terrorist acts? (Similarly Iran has attacked other gulf states besides Israel and blocked Hormuz, they don't have the capabilities to bomb Washington, so they do what they can to defend themselves).

Pont three: Hamas (or Iran for that matter) has never been praised or quoted as having "moral superiority" by anyone. In MY opinion they wage the ONLY war they are capable of. If they had F16 capabilities they would use them. Wouldn't they?

Point four: why would anyone (Sane that is) negociate or leave behind the ONLY tool they had against a msny times superior force willing to assasinate negociators in the middle of the talks when every single time that they have pulled Iran or Hamas to negotiations, they bomb the negotiators. This is Israel tactic.

Point five: let's not forget who are the invaders and who the invaded...

Napoleon invaded Spain: guerrilla warfare
Germany invaded France: french resistance
No need to continue the list?


The UN, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and the majority of the international community consider the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights as occupied territories under Israeli military control.

So one could perfectly say its Israel who's willing to how you put it? "willing to sacrifice their own population" in exchange for land due to their expansionist politics, often driven by the ideological concept of "Greater Israel" (Eretz Israel HaShlema), aim to expand territorial control beyond established borders, rooted in biblical narratives.

Now ask yourself what would you do if the US invaded Canada because as Greenland a madman decided its needed for the US "defense":
Attack back with your ludicrous defense budget? (20 times smaller).
Go to UN? Who would help Canada?

Israel has been cited for violating numerous UN Security Council and General Assembly resolutions regarding its occupation of Palestinian territories, settlement expansion, and military actions. Key violated resolutions (there is a total of 130 Security Council resolutions addressing the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1967) include 242 (withdrawal from occupied territories), 478 (Jerusalem status), 2334 (settlement illegality), and 487 (nuclear safety). Anyone helped?

Lastly no one is praising terrorists... But who's on the defense and who's on the attack?

You know what's worse?

You KNEW this all along and chose to ignore it and "sell" the terrorist panflet.

Are you thus callling this kid a terrorist?
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OFF TOPIC:

That's your actual name?! I can see how that can lead to misunderstandings! My middle name is "Bro" (literally "bridge"), but everyone (even people I don't know) call me "Søren Bog" ("bog" = "book"), because I always carry a book and read while I walk. I've made some pretty silly practical stunts (walking into signs and whatnot, stopping the traffic and being forced to bow for people clapping!). It has reached the point where people I don't know approach me with books they think I should read!

EDIT: What I don't get though, is that everyone walks while reading on their phone. I can't really see the difference.

That is actually my knot full) name. I've eaten one or two traffic signs myself jn the day. But I read sitting, bedding or couch-potating now.
 
Point one: How does one "sacrifice their own population"? That's called "armed forces". Palestine has none.
And Hamas is not Palestine.
Point two: if Hamas had the military might to have military bases why would they engage in terrorist acts? (Similarly Iran has attacked other gulf states besides Israel and blocked Hormuz, they don't have the capabilities to bomb Washington, so they do what they can to defend themselves).

Pont three: Hamas (or Iran for that matter) has never been praised or quoted as having "moral superiority" by anyone. In MY opinion they wage the ONLY war they are capable of. If they had F16 capabilities they would use them. Wouldn't they?

Point four: why would anyone (Sane that is) negociate or leave behind the ONLY tool they had against a msny times superior force willing to assasinate negociators in the middle of the talks when every single time that they have pulled Iran or Hamas to negotiations, they bomb the negotiators. This is Israel tactic.

Point five: let's not forget who are the invaders and who the invaded...

Napoleon invaded Spain: guerrilla warfare
Germany invaded France: french resistance
No need to continue the list?


The UN, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and the majority of the international community consider the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights as occupied territories under Israeli military control.

So one could perfectly say its Israel who's willing to how you put it? "willing to sacrifice their own population" in exchange for land due to their expansionist politics, often driven by the ideological concept of "Greater Israel" (Eretz Israel HaShlema), aim to expand territorial control beyond established borders, rooted in biblical narratives.

Now ask yourself what would you do if the US invaded Canada because as Greenland a madman decided its needed for the US "defense":
Attack back with your ludicrous defense budget? (20 times smaller).
Go to UN? Who would help Canada?

Israel has been cited for violating numerous UN Security Council and General Assembly resolutions regarding its occupation of Palestinian territories, settlement expansion, and military actions. Key violated resolutions (there is a total of 130 Security Council resolutions addressing the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1967) include 242 (withdrawal from occupied territories), 478 (Jerusalem status), 2334 (settlement illegality), and 487 (nuclear safety). Anyone helped?

Lastly no one is praising terrorists... But who's on the defense and who's on the attack?

You know what's worse?

You KNEW this all along and chose to ignore it and "sell" the terrorist panflet.

Are you thus callling thus kid a terrorist?
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BTW:
From 2015-2024 alone, the General Assembly adopted 173 resolutions against Israel...
 
BTW:
From 2015-2024 alone, the General Assembly adopted 173 resolutions against Israel...
With no real consequences I figure, 'cause noone who cares enough has veto-rights. Or maybe it's the other way around?

The real power, I suspect, is with the G# countries.
 
Lastly no one is praising terrorists... But who's on the defense and who's on the attack?
That is the big question.
As is often said One's terrorist is the next person's freedom fighter.

Now ask yourself what would you do if the US invaded Canada
Nothing. The US has no desire to invade Canada
You might instead want to ask that to our wonderful leader what he would do?

At present, Canada's land mass serves as a northern buffer for the protection of continental US.
When and if the Northern Passage opens up to allow surface vessels a preferential route, for commerce and military adventures into what would become international waters, a failure of the Canadian military to provide suitable surveillance and protection of its northern shores om its own, the umbrella of the US military would have to extend over the northern Canadian territories for the US's safety as they themselves would see it ( as a threat to both the eastern and western US coasts by nefarious nation ).


Contrary to the rhetoric from Carney to the years around 1812 ( when Canada did not yet exist ).
It was a conflict between the US states and the British. Upper and Lower Canada were separate territories under the monarchy, unified only after 1841 whereupon the two were joined under one administration.
Carney's revisionist history depicting Sir Isaac Brock ( a British officer )l as a war hero for Canada ( that still did not exist ) defending the British loyalists who fled from American rule to settle near Kinston and area, Under no circumstance did these British subjects consider themselves 'Canadian' at the time.
Carney played with a tiny figurine of Brock during his UTube address.
Carney gaslights the province of Quebec, the maritime provinces, and the western provinces by insinuating that the only history worthy of any Canadian is to identify with is that of southern Ontario.

Carney is supposedly a well educated, learned individual. And yet he gets it wrong by the narrow viewpoint as presented by him to fellow Canadians, the citizens of the USA, and the peoples of the world.
I assume the members of the United Nations and their bodies are also well educated, learned individuals, but they themselves can be subject to a narrow interpretation of history as did Carney.

Lists the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and Security Council.
Are many of them a re-hash over and over again of Israel's right to defend itself and right to exist?

Quick history lesson:
The Suez Canal crisis was invoked by Egyptian action, hindering Israel access.
The Security and General Assembly resolutions were as much about the Egyptian action, as well as the French and British response, but Israel singly seems to be portrayed as the bad guy by revisionists.
It was through this conflict that the Israel middle east 'problem' transferred to the stewardship of the USA and it has been their bane ever since.
 
That is the big question.
As is often said One's terrorist is the next person's freedom fighter.


Nothing. The US has no desire to invade Canada
You might instead want to ask that to our wonderful leader what he would do?

At present, Canada's land mass serves as a northern buffer for the protection of continental US.
When and if the Northern Passage opens up to allow surface vessels a preferential route, for commerce and military adventures into what would become international waters, a failure of the Canadian military to provide suitable surveillance and protection of its northern shores om its own, the umbrella of the US military would have to extend over the northern Canadian territories for the US's safety as they themselves would see it ( as a threat to both the eastern and western US coasts by nefarious nation ).


Contrary to the rhetoric from Carney to the years around 1812 ( when Canada did not yet exist ).
It was a conflict between the US states and the British. Upper and Lower Canada were separate territories under the monarchy, unified only after 1841 whereupon the two were joined under one administration.
Carney's revisionist history depicting Sir Isaac Brock ( a British officer )l as a war hero for Canada ( that still did not exist ) defending the British loyalists who fled from American rule to settle near Kinston and area, Under no circumstance did these British subjects consider themselves 'Canadian' at the time.
Carney played with a tiny figurine of Brock during his UTube address.
Carney gaslights the province of Quebec, the maritime provinces, and the western provinces by insinuating that the only history worthy of any Canadian is to identify with is that of southern Ontario.

Carney is supposedly a well educated, learned individual. And yet he gets it wrong by the narrow viewpoint as presented by him to fellow Canadians, the citizens of the USA, and the peoples of the world.
I assume the members of the United Nations and their bodies are also well educated, learned individuals, but they themselves can be subject to a narrow interpretation of history as did Carney.

Lists the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and Security Council.
Are many of them a re-hash over and over again of Israel's right to defend itself and right to exist?

Quick history lesson:
The Suez Canal crisis was invoked by Egyptian action, hindering Israel access.
The Security and General Assembly resolutions were as much about the Egyptian action, as well as the French and British response, but Israel singly seems to be portrayed as the bad guy by revisionists.
It was through this conflict that the Israel middle east 'problem' transferred to the stewardship of the USA and it has been their bane ever since.not saying

That is the big question.
As is often said One's terrorist is the next person's freedom fighter.


Nothing. The US has no desire to invade Canada
You might instead want to ask that to our wonderful leader what he would do?

At present, Canada's land mass serves as a northern buffer for the protection of continental US.
When and if the Northern Passage opens up to allow surface vessels a preferential route, for commerce and military adventures into what would become international waters, a failure of the Canadian military to provide suitable surveillance and protection of its northern shores om its own, the umbrella of the US military would have to extend over the northern Canadian territories for the US's safety as they themselves would see it ( as a threat to both the eastern and western US coasts by nefarious nation ).


Contrary to the rhetoric from Carney to the years around 1812 ( when Canada did not yet exist ).
It was a conflict between the US states and the British. Upper and Lower Canada were separate territories under the monarchy, unified only after 1841 whereupon the two were joined under one administration.
Carney's revisionist history depicting Sir Isaac Brock ( a British officer )l as a war hero for Canada ( that still did not exist ) defending the British loyalists who fled from American rule to settle near Kinston and area, Under no circumstance did these British subjects consider themselves 'Canadian' at the time.
Carney played with a tiny figurine of Brock during his UTube address.
Carney gaslights the province of Quebec, the maritime provinces, and the western provinces by insinuating that the only history worthy of any Canadian is to identify with is that of southern Ontario.

Carney is supposedly a well educated, learned individual. And yet he gets it wrong by the narrow viewpoint as presented by him to fellow Canadians, the citizens of the USA, and the peoples of the world.
I assume the members of the United Nations and their bodies are also well educated, learned individuals, but they themselves can be subject to a narrow interpretation of history as did Carney.

Lists the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and Security Council.
Are many of them a re-hash over and over again of Israel's right to defend itself and right to exist?

Quick history lesson:
The Suez Canal crisis was invoked by Egyptian action, hindering Israel access.
The Security and General Assembly resolutions were as much about the Egyptian action, as well as the French and British response, but Israel singly seems to be portrayed as the bad guy by revisionists.
It was through this conflict that the Israel middle east 'problem' transferred to the stewardship of the USA and it has been their bane ever since.
Not saying US has any interest. Was stating a what-if question.
IMO the UN is pretty much worthless because of a-veto and b-lack of teeth.
Was quoting because of mostly unanimous world opinion against the occupation...
The right/need to defend itself is an overstated excuse to play bully by both Netanyahu and his lacky. When was last either territory attacked? Pearl Harbour?
That's why Donny "needs" Groenland, Canada's lsnd mass its not enough for him. Remember?
 
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With no real consequences I figure, 'cause noone who cares enough has veto-rights. Or maybe it's the other way around?

The real power, I suspect, is with the G# countries.
100% in agreement.
No teeth snd vetos equals no consequences.
But it depicts what earth's governments think about the occupation.
 
I haven't seen such protests against the crimes Hamas committed!

I also find this striking. I recall news coverage of some American Jews carrying "not in my name" signs in protest of Israel's invasion of Gaza. I don't think there was anything similar happening from any American Arab groups in response to Oct 7, but perhaps there was and it just didn't get any coverage that I saw at the time or can find now.
 
It is undeniable that we have a new Islamic antisemitism. New, in the sense that it doesn't refer to the old narrative of Christians blaming Jews for killing Jesus, or blaming Jews for creating and engaging in financial markets, primarily because they weren't allowed to join guilds and take other jobs.

All forms have much in common:
  • self-created problem via ostracism
  • notorious reversal of both cause and effect, as well as perpetrator and victim
  • assessments by completely different scales
  • justification and even celebrations of terrorist attacks, as long as Jews are the targets
  • equalizing Israeli politics with Jews as a whole
  • unreflected repetition of political slogans from the Left on one side and from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. on the other side
Countless pro-Palestinian demonstrations here and elsewhere are evidence for my claims, and unfortunately, also dozens of attacks on Jewish citizens. Some comedians here even joke that the Left and the Arabs are violating Nazi copyrights with their hatred these days. They became partly indistinguishable. You may quote Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot to add Putin, since he claimed to fight against Nazis in Ukraine despite being antisemitic himself. This is particularly strange considering that Zelenskyy is Jewish.
 
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These are my initial / gut reactions to your points above.

self-created problem via ostracism

Do you mean that some Jewish communities associate primarily within their own circles? Or that antisemitic groups behave badly and are ostracized?


notorious reversal of both cause and effect, as well as perpetrator and victim

I see many back-and-forths that to my ears sound like arguments over what to call 'time zero'. There seems to be no agreement on what is ancient history vs what is recent enough to be cited as initiating a conflict.

assessments by completely different scales

Yes, I also think so.

justification and even celebrations of terrorist attacks, as long as Jews are the targets

It seems to me that this happens, and perhaps one can argue that it happens to more groups than only Jews, but that doesn't make it any better when it happens to Jews.

equalizing Israeli politics with Jews as a whole

I wholeheartedly agree with the above. I will only note that this cuts both ways - I am not particularly Zionist myself, and I am often hesitant to say so for fear of drawing criticism of being antisemitic. I support the US treating Israel as an ally because they are a liberal democracy, not because I think Jews have a historic right to that territory, is what I mean by not being particularly Zionist. I don't see how I can live on what historically and relatively recently have been Native American lands and feel otherwise without being an extreme hypocrite. I hope no one finds this offensive.

unreflected repetition of political slogans from the Left on one side and from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. on the other side

100% agreement. I heard a media person say once "The next time you hear someone chant 'From the river to the sea' ask them to name the river and the sea - they almost certainly won't be able to".
 
Do you mean that some Jewish communities associate primarily within their own circles? Or that antisemitic groups behave badly and are ostracized?

I believe that societies, whether medieval or modern, have always managed to exclude a significant portion of their own population. The Jews in Germany did not see themselves as Jews, but as Germans. Nevertheless, they found no place in the "us" as defined by the Nazis. The same thing is happening in the Arab world. Many of them are, strictly speaking, also Semites, with the exception of Iranians. The segregation of "us" and "them" continues to prevent any constructive solution, if it doesn't itself define the problem.

I see many back-and-forths that to my ears sound like arguments over what to call 'time zero'. There seems to be no agreement on what is ancient history vs what is recent enough to be cited as initiating a conflict.

I had in mind that, especially these days, the perpetrators, namely Palestinian terrorists, and I dare say supported by the majority among Palestinians, are portraying themselves as victims of the consequences of their own actions. If you pray for rain, expect the mud. The Palestinians complain about the consequences of their own actions. They were predictable by the sheer number of civilian victims of all ages and genders. If they had wanted to avoid the effects, they should have dispensed with the cause. They try to reverse the order.

It seems to me that this happens, and perhaps one can argue that it happens to more groups than only Jews, but that doesn't make it any better when it happens to Jews.

I personally call the line of arguments the Nazi triathlon: denial - relativization - justification. First, they deny it happened. Then they doubt the figures or compare them with other events. Finally, they call it an inevitable consequence of something else. Have a look at such discussions concerning any group, or persons like the Americans who were (without penalty!) murdered by ICE agents, and in any attack. Nazi-triathlon is very popular in political debates, at least here in Germany.

I will only note that this cuts both ways - I am not particularly Zionist myself, and I am often hesitant to say so for fear of drawing criticism of being antisemitic.

Well, I share the birthday with my late favorite satirist and tend to share his views. I suppose that makes me a Zionist, insofar as that's possible for a goy.

I support the US treating Israel as an ally because they are a liberal democracy, ...

Criticizing Israel's politics is difficult for Germans, but we do. Just quieter and more discreet, and not as a rant on X. This doesn't change the normative principle of German politics, or as our president once put it: Die Sicherheit Israels ist deutsche Staatsraison. (Google, so not quite, more mandate than interest: The security of Israel is a matter of German national interest.)

... not because I think Jews have a historic right to that territory, is what I mean by not being particularly Zionist. ...

Or as the satirist named above has put it: "If the English were to give the Jews a country that did not belong to them, why couldn't it have been Switzerland?"

I don't see how I can live on what historically and relatively recently have been Native American lands and feel otherwise without being an extreme hypocrite. I hope no one finds this offensive.

If you start fighting, particularly American hypocrisy, it is better to be committed to a mental institution. It is hopeless. Where else can you simultaneously be pro-life and shoot doctors? To mention one example of actually many. There are hypocrisies in any society, but I personally think the USA tops them all. The preemptive apology, which I think primarily addresses Americans, alone speaks volumes. But we are again at a point where one, probably, injustice cannot be connected to another. War seems to be the natural state of mankind, and periods of peace are only a break. Or as I read today: First comes food, then comes morality. (Bertolt Brecht) It's more drastic in German, as he said "Fressen" for food, which describes the process of eating for animals. And we are, as you said, between history and current politics. Where does one stop, and where does the other start? This is particularly difficult in a thread about genocides.

I heard a media person say once "The next time you hear someone chant 'From the river to the sea' ask them to name the river and the sea - they almost certainly won't be able to".

I am sure they will be able to in Germany. A slogan, by the way, which had to be forbidden at Palestinian demonstrations in Germany, as it implies the elimination of Israel and is therefore considered as "Volksverhetzung" (incitement to hatred), which is forbidden here. I call it the Goebbels Act, and only Nazis, Vance and Musk, so there is a difference, are complaining about the restriction of free speech. They should be far more worried that they occur in one sentence with Goebbels, instead of making childish claims. This is another example of why history matters.
 
It is undeniable that we have a new Islamic antisemitism. New, in the sense that it doesn't refer to the old narrative of Christians blaming Jews for killing Jesus, or blaming Jews for creating and engaging in financial markets, primarily because they weren't allowed to join guilds and take other jobs.

All forms have much in common:
  • self-created problem via ostracism
  • notorious reversal of both cause and effect, as well as perpetrator and victim
  • assessments by completely different scales
  • justification and even celebrations of terrorist attacks, as long as Jews are the targets
  • equalizing Israeli politics with Jews as a whole
  • unreflected repetition of political slogans from the Left on one side and from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. on the other side
Countless pro-Palestinian demonstrations here and elsewhere are evidence for my claims, and unfortunately, also dozens of attacks on Jewish citizens. Some comedians here even joke that the Left and the Arabs are violating Nazi copyrights with their hatred these days. They became partly indistinguishable. You may quote Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot to add Putin, since he claimed to fight against Nazis in Ukraine despite being antisemitic himself. This is particularly strange considering that Zelenskyy is Jewish.

Today was May 1. Usually it's a manifestation day for the left, but in later years much of the politics seem to have seeped out of the event. Still, the left was there (Even some young communists . You seldom see mature people brandishing a red flag with the hammer and sickle ;) ), but also, curiously, a very small crowd of pro-palestinians.

Still, flying an Israeli flag would probably have ended in violence.
 
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I also find this striking. I recall news coverage of some American Jews carrying "not in my name" signs in protest of Israel's invasion of Gaza. I don't think there was anything similar happening from any American Arab groups in response to Oct 7, but perhaps there was and it just didn't get any coverage that I saw at the time or can find now.

I still have a very hard time deducing what they hoped to accomplish with their "operation" on Oct 7. I've asked a lot of people but noone seems to have a clue. If their hope was to rile up Israel then I guess mission accomplished.
 
Those are the countries that 'documented' to some extent the procedures that resulted in sterilization so that some data could be obtained, even if not recorded at the time of surgery, so that it looks as if the practice was only evident in the western world.. In others, data is difficult to come by.
It was/is more widespread across the world.
Such regulations such as one,, or two, child policies should also be included as forced sterilization.

And, the proponents in favour of forced sterilization can always find a way/
To change ones gender legally, and obtain the documents, individuals were required to removal of offending body parts in countries that allowed the change, In other words, one had to show sterilization.

One can feel either way as to the transgender rights as being right or wrong, or necessary. But it was common ideology in NA and European countries and others not just a few years back that forced sterilization was a condition for the individuals to show their new gender.

And there were the helpful proponents for transgender rights of the time that devised these policies.


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I don't know the source but it doesn't come off as unimplausible to me. Here's a somewhat more nuanced picture (maybe):

Sterilization in 2023: A Historical Analysis of LGBTQIA+ Rights in the Nordic Countries (Digitala Vetenskapliga Arkivet)

Due to the author’s struggles with dyslexia, many of my sources have been consumed digitally in formats which do not provide pagenumbers. The utmost care has been taken to provide the reader with the locations of cited quotes and the origins of information throughuse of page numbers, section headings, or chapter titles and numbers whenever possible.

Quite honest and impressive!
 
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I don't know the source but it doesn't come off as unplausible to me. Here's a somewhat more nuanced picture (maybe):

Sterilization in 2023: A Historical Analysis of LGBTQIA+ Rights in the Nordic Countries (Digitala Vetenskapliga Arkivet)



Quite honest and impressive!
That is pretty much a summary of the western world give or take a few years here and there for each country, as the happenings of one influenced by cross over the others.

As far as I know, the showing proof of sterilization for gender transition has waned, and something along the lines of intent is more or less accepted.
As I have stated before in some place, the trans community itself as a whole was a bystander in the crappyness that had gone down somewhere starting after the early 2000's. Blame the self serving activists whose "We want it Now" and "We want it All" led to such irresponsible demands and inclusion in woman's sport, woman's safe places, gender identification as anything you want to be, the adoption of gender pronouns going haywire, basing some of their arguments on the misuse of what DEI represents and the rights of a trans female ( male transitioning to female ) being on par with biological woman.

Most people just don't give a hoot about trans affecting their lives, and had the activists not tried to game the system, the trans community and their rights would have evolved along its natural course without much, if not any backlash. If evil does exist, these self serving activists are the most vile.
 
Not saying US has any interest. Was stating a what-if question.
IMO the UN is pretty much worthless because of a-veto and b-lack of teeth.
Was quoting because of mostly unanimous world opinion against the occupation...
The right/need to defend itself is an overstated excuse to play bully by both Netanyahu and his lacky. When was last either territory attacked? Pearl Harbour?
That's why Donny "needs" Groenland, Canada's lsnd mass its not enough for him. Remember?
Strange world these times are.
 
That is pretty much a summary of the western world give or take a few years here and there for each country, as the happenings of one influenced by cross over the others.

As far as I know, the showing proof of sterilization for gender transition has waned, and something along the lines of intent is more or less accepted.
As I have stated before in some place, the trans community itself as a whole was a bystander in the crappyness that had gone down somewhere starting after the early 2000's. Blame the self serving activists whose "We want it Now" and "We want it All" led to such irresponsible demands and inclusion in woman's sport, woman's safe places, gender identification as anything you want to be, the adoption of gender pronouns going haywire, basing some of their arguments on the misuse of what DEI represents and the rights of a trans female ( male transitioning to female ) being on par with biological woman.

Most people just don't give a hoot about trans affecting their lives, and had the activists not tried to game the system, the trans community and their rights would have evolved along its natural course without much, if not any backlash. If evil does exist, these self serving activists are the most vile.

A case in point is that you can select your pronouns on PF. I haven't checked on CW.
 
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Kinda OFFTOPIC and then....

I have a male bisexual acquaintance who didn't want any more money transferred to his bank account as banks are getting paranoid with money laundering. I told him he could just transfer them to my account (as that seldom happens). I then joked that we could still transfer them to his account and if the police got interested we could meet to talk to the police and be really "in their face gay", cooking up a story about where the money came from involving a lot of bodily functions. My theory being that the police would soon be tired of asking questions (as long as it didn't involve prostitution, which btw isn't technically illegal in Denmark as long as you pay your taxes). That was too much for him though even though he's the bisexual and I was just yanking his chain. Go figure! :D
 
It is undeniable that we have a new Islamic antisemitism. New, in the sense that it doesn't refer to the old narrative of Christians blaming Jews for killing Jesus, or blaming Jews for creating and engaging in financial markets, primarily because they weren't allowed to join guilds and take other jobs.

All forms have much in common:
  • self-created problem via ostracism
  • notorious reversal of both cause and effect, as well as perpetrator and victim
  • assessments by completely different scales
  • justification and even celebrations of terrorist attacks, as long as Jews are the targets
  • equalizing Israeli politics with Jews as a whole
  • unreflected repetition of political slogans from the Left on one side and from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. on the other side
Countless pro-Palestinian demonstrations here and elsewhere are evidence for my claims, and unfortunately, also dozens of attacks on Jewish citizens. Some comedians here even joke that the Left and the Arabs are violating Nazi copyrights with their hatred these days. They became partly indistinguishable. You may quote Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot to add Putin, since he claimed to fight against Nazis in Ukraine despite being antisemitic himself. This is particularly strange considering that Zelenskyy is Jewish.
It's very deniable.
Even jewish deny it.
What's undeniable is the death count.
And not just in the last three years...
What's undeniable is who is occupying who's land. Each day more.
What's undeniable is that there's no "Greater Palestine" project.
 
It's [ed.: Islamic antisemtism] very deniable.

No, it is not.

TLTR: They did not track specifically the religious background because of potential discrimination. The USA did something similar (no racial profiling) shortly after 9/11. The large numbers still come from right extremists, but there are reports of cases, as well as overlapping motivations and overlapping group affiliations.


I am too lazy to translate, edit captions, and copy and paste all of it. Use Google Chrome; it does it for you.

Source: Federal Agency for Civic Education (Germany)

Also:
Antisemitism is a central characteristic of Islamist ideologies, but unlike the antisemitism of German right-wing extremists, it is not racially based. Jewish immigration to Palestine, the establishment of the State of Israel, and the unresolved Middle East conflict are the triggers for the emergence of Islamist anti-Zionism and antisemitism. This conflict is strongly anti-Jewish, referring to the supposed eternal enmity of "the Jews" against "the Muslims/Islam," which Islamists believe is documented in the Quran and supported by their historical narrative. Islamist antisemitism is therefore religiously motivated, but not an essential component of Islam as a religion.

Source: (Bayerische Staatsregierung, Bavarian Government) https://www.antworten-auf-salafismus.de/salafismus/antisemitismus-im-islamismus/
 
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No, it is not.

TLTR: They did not track specifically the religious background because of potential discrimination. The USA did something similar (no racial profiling) shortly after 9/11. The large numbers still come from right extremists, but there are reports of cases, as well as overlapping motivations and overlapping group affiliations.


I am too lazy to translate, edit captions, and copy and paste all of it. Use Google Chrome; it does it for you.

Source: Federal Agency for Civic Education (Germany)

Also:


Source: (Bayerische Staatsregierung, Bavarian Government) https://www.antworten-auf-salafismus.de/salafismus/antisemitismus-im-islamismus/
Bla bla bla, decades killing muslims all over the region and you expect them to love jews?
Sorry you can only sell this propaganda blabber to a chosen.
I am not either but let me guess...
What's undeniable we, the neutral, know.
 
It is undeniable that we have a new Islamic antisemitism. New, in the sense that it doesn't refer to the old narrative of Christians blaming Jews for killing Jesus, or blaming Jews for creating and engaging in financial markets, primarily because they weren't allowed to join guilds and take other jobs.

All forms have much in common:
  • self-created problem via ostracism
  • notorious reversal of both cause and effect, as well as perpetrator and victim
  • assessments by completely different scales
  • justification and even celebrations of terrorist attacks, as long as Jews are the targets
  • equalizing Israeli politics with Jews as a whole
  • unreflected repetition of political slogans from the Left on one side and from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. on the other side
Countless pro-Palestinian demonstrations here and elsewhere are evidence for my claims, and unfortunately, also dozens of attacks on Jewish citizens. Some comedians here even joke that the Left and the Arabs are violating Nazi copyrights with their hatred these days. They became partly indistinguishable. You may quote Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot to add Putin, since he claimed to fight against Nazis in Ukraine despite being antisemitic himself. This is particularly strange considering that Zelenskyy is Jewish.

I think I follow your argument. You mean that it's new in the sense that it's not based on the ancient "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" propaganda, and the ridiculous rumor that Jews use Christian blood in their bread (How anyone could buy that one is beyond me. If you take a step back and think about it it's so obviously bunk it hurts my head.), and of course the Jesus thing you mention. Still, the arabic antisemitism hardly looks new to me. It's still about generalizations and labelling other people as "untermenschen" and driving them into the sea. (I suspect any sea will do.)
 
The Jews (or is it Israelians?) can also do whacky stuff though. I think they try this every year and are stopped every time by the IDF trying to deescalate the situation.
 
I think it was Golda Meir who said:

Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.
--- Wikiquote on Golda Meir (disputed!)

Now, just for the record, I'm aware that the Israelis/Israelians(?) are not innocent.
 
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Bla bla bla, decades killing muslims all over the region and you expect them to love jews?
Sorry you can only sell this propaganda blabber to a chosen.
I am not either but let me guess...
What's undeniable we, the neutral, know.

My references beat your Bla bla bla easily. I haven't said that I expect them to "love" jews. I expect them to a) distinguish between Israel's politics and jews, b) respect different minds, c) respect the integrity and dignity of human life, d) not commit crimes. As long as it is not safe in Germany to wear a kippa in public, as long as there is antisemitism. Right extremists are one cause, Arabs are the other. Your arguments are void. Wear a kippa and enter a German Shisha bar. Then we talk again.

None of the points a)-d) is given! That is the difference. You accept violence from one side and condemn it on the other. Neither is acceptable, and neither can be used to justify the other.
 
My references beat your Bla bla bla easily. I haven't said that I expect them to "love" jews. I expect them to a) distinguish between Israel's politics and jews, b) respect different minds, c) respect the integrity and dignity of human life, d) not commit crimes. As long as it is not safe in Germany to wear a kippa in public, as long as there is antisemitism. Right extremists are one cause, Arabs are the other. Your arguments are void. Wear a kippa and enter a German Shisha bar. Then we talk again.

None of the points a)-d) is given! That is the difference. You accept violence from one side and condemn it on the other. Neither is acceptable, and neither can be used to justify the other.

The sad thing is that one of them need to step up and be the adult. Yeah OK, your ancestors was murdered and buried in a massgrave 700 years ago, but to keep handing that hate down to your children is just bats... insane! IMHO.

(I realize of course that the violence is more recent, but eg. the war in the Balkan was actually justified by something along those lines. And again I know it's not that simple.)

If noone forgives it's never gonna stop.
 
My references beat your Bla bla bla easily. I haven't said that I expect them to "love" jews. I expect them to a) distinguish between Israel's politics and jews, b) respect different minds, c) respect the integrity and dignity of human life, d) not commit crimes. As long as it is not safe in Germany to wear a kippa in public, as long as there is antisemitism. Right extremists are one cause, Arabs are the other. Your arguments are void. Wear a kippa and enter a German Shisha bar. Then we talk again.

None of the points a)-d) is given! That is the difference. You accept violence from one side and condemn it on the other. Neither is acceptable, and neither can be used to justify the other.
Undeniable deflecting.
Worthless rethoric.
False accusations.
You are partial and anyone can see it.
A waste of time argumenting to a genocide defender.
 
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